Falle Safe

by **skold** » 22 Jun 2004 21:08

i was talking to an american locksmith, who is now retired and living in australia. he had about 20 Falle Safe tools. he let me use a couple of the deep curve and progressive curve tools an i found these the best tools i used. Im thimkin of replicating some of his designs.. what are all your guys thoughts on Fallle tools?

by **plot** » 22 Jun 2004 21:19

it's just a series of different sized hooks isn't it? i've never heard bad things about them... very hard to get though. take advantage and trace the tools while you have them... i beleive someone posted exact scale pictures of them here not to incredibly long ago though.

and um, tripple post :wink:

by **Romstar** » 22 Jun 2004 21:26

I think that Falle was on the wrong track.

The trendc today is away from open style keyways. We are seeing more and more paracentric style designs, and more deeply corrugated keyways. This results in a lock where the Falle-Safe tools simply are ineffective.

If you have a lock that they will work in, they are excellent tools. The material, and coating renders a tool that provides excellent control and feedback.

The tension tools are another matter however. If you have the complete set of Falle-Safe tension tools, including the adjustable ones you will have an excellent tension system that will work with a wide variety of keyway designs and provide excellent control and feedback.

This feedback will enhance your proficency with any other maker's picks regardless of design or construction. Further, because of the excellent control of the plug, using very thin tools such as Peterson's GEM becomes much easier.

Do I believe the Falle-Safe tool set is worth buying? No, not any longer, their time has come and gone. The tension tools however are worth replicating. If you really feel attached to the design, of course copy it and use whereever applicable.

For myself however, I simply can't recomend the tools any longer.

Romstar

by **skold** » 22 Jun 2004 23:35

yeah. i took all the exact measurements and im current ly making it but i made single sided.. i kinda prefer my picks that way.

a few of the really curvy ones( i forgot the name) didn't work the way i intended but the hook style picks a great

by **mcm757207** » 23 Jun 2004 0:04

Where could one buy some falle safe tools? Are they more expensive than say, HPC or SouthOrd?

by **mbell** » 23 Jun 2004 2:00

MBA USA and Safe Ventures I believe are the sole distributors. Neither will sell to non-locksmiths.

They cost about Â£140 GBP. (http://xe.com/ucc).

I have the set and I couldn't recommend it more. The double pronged tension tools are great...once you get used to them and the range of hooks is unparalleled with any other set I have.

Although I've never picked a lock with a straight keyway (The vast majority of locks in the UK use the Yale 8 or very similar keyway) I've found use for a number of the falle deep curve picks, using them in a similar way to the Peterson Reach.

by **Luke** » 23 Jun 2004 4:03

Lets put it this way i saw a second hand set going for $300 Aussie, i think it was a large set, but still $300...

by **skold** » 23 Jun 2004 19:22

yeah i found that they were very expensive and also the deep curve picks( i actually remembered the name) didn't work well

by **pinky** » 24 Jun 2004 16:57

i notice a comment about falle tools having had their time , the basic pick set to which you refer to is still an excellent set for any manual picker with success dictated only by skill level, this is only my opinion , this set has never let me down.
falle tools are still the rolls royce of picks , who else makes a pick to open a chubb isolator, a chubb 6k75 , all mauer locks, smp dual stumps etc in under 10 minutes , and these are only the picks us mere mortals are allowed to see, oh to get my hands on the government restricted picks.

these picks do however take the skill and the challenge out of the job as you are assured a quick non destructive opening, but commercialy they are a must.

enough praise , i am always on the look out for good quality well priced picks that work, if any one ever does make a great tool be sure to let me know.

by **mcm757207** » 24 Jun 2004 21:19

I never knew there was even such thing as government-restricted picks... probobly you've never seen them but what do you think they are/look like?

by **PickPick** » 25 Jun 2004 4:44

mcm151201 wrote:I never knew there was even such thing as government-restricted picks... probobly you've never seen them but what do you think they are/look like?

Actually a lot of that stuff is not so amazing after all. Like most wire or foil shim decoders were government only at the beginning.
It's just that for some tools there's simply no market neither with the public nor the locksmith community.
And then sometimes tools are built to order for a specific lock and if the tools appeared on the open market the manufacturer would learn how the lock can be exploited and might fix it. Because there are a lot of manufacturers who won't realize they sell rubbish before there's a tool on the market available to every living being and sold for a penny.

by **pinky** » 25 Jun 2004 10:53

alot of the restricted picks would not be released due to cost being too high to justify them, why buy pick to open anloys in 10 seconds when bolt cutters will do.

there are picks for everything , john falle will make you a pick to defeat any lock you come across, just send him 6 of that type of lock and he will give you a tool to beat it, for approx Â£30,000.

there are copy picks available for chubbs but none that touch falles picks, especialy the safe picks.

many of the government picks are available to view at security.org thats where i view alot of them, though its the ones i cant see that interest me.

all locks are defeatable , it just takes time and patience and years of practice.

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