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keychain lockpick set

When it comes down to it there is nothing better than manual tools for your Lock pick Set, whether they be retail, homebrew, macgyver style. DIY'ers look here.

keychain lockpick set

Postby Cat » 14 Sep 2004 3:27

Hey Ladies and Gents... I found this little keychain lock pick set.

http://www.lockpickshop.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Lock-Picking-keychain&Category_Code=LS

It looks kinda neat. Not sure about the choice of picks but anyway...
I searched and couldn't find someone mention this little set before, has anyone been able to play with one? Is it too flimsy? Whats the deal with this cute little thing.
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Postby archiebald » 14 Sep 2004 4:13

Nice find Cat this one is new to me. :)
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Postby randmguy » 14 Sep 2004 5:40

That's...Well I guess I'd have to call it cute. :D There's an adjective I never thought to apply to lockpicks. I have one question though...What are the chances you're going to lose your keys but hold onto your keychain. It kind of reminds me of the guy who calls you back for an auto opening after you've made him a spare car key. Upon arrival you find that he put the spare key on his keychain/in the glove box/in the center console/in the trunk so he wouldn't lose it. :oops: I've only heard the glove box and trunk stories personally but I'm sure the others happen as well.
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Postby S3rratedSp00L » 14 Sep 2004 6:44

Hmmm... interesting find! The pick shapes look ok to me and I am used to short handles compared to most commercial sets. :)

The so-called jiggler looks like it might work better used as a sawtooth rake, but might be useful. :) The hook looks, well, hooklike.. a must have! I would rather have a somewhat tall half diamond than that wierd rake, but you never know!

I think I would have to recommend making a few homemade tension tools to use with it, because that tension tool doesn't look all that comfortable.
If you get that thing, take some pix! It doesn't look to hard to make! :)
You should be able to make some different tips for it fairly easy! Then you can have whatever you like! :)

I'd call this a novelty item for sure, but if you got money burning a hole in your pocket, then go for it. My personal favorite keychain set is a homemade set made from sawblades. If made small enough, you can use the same picks on a keychain, in a feeler gauge holder, or even seperately. Items like this keychain set are great for ideas! Could come in handy as an emergency ser for when friends/acquaintences lock themselves out! :D

Just don't leave your keychain in the house/car and lock yourself out like previously mentioned. :)
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Postby Chucklz » 14 Sep 2004 12:11

The Rake looks much like a Bogota rake, which is truly an excellent rake for opening locks that have security pins.
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Postby S3rratedSp00L » 14 Sep 2004 19:27

I kinda like sawtooth rakes now, but I don't think I have really tried a bogota or even double diamond rake.... Half diamonds work pretty well for raking too! :)

Well, Chucklz, you seem to know what you are doing, so if you recommend it then I think I am going to have to make myself a bogota style pick and give it a try. My sawtooth has been pretty good on a lock with serrated pins! I never had good luck raking locks with serrated pins before I made it. I was doing so much single pin with a hook that I neglected practicing my raking and it took making a new pick to get my raking technique back. :) I still have trouble raking locks with spools although I can single pin reasonably well. Maybe a bogota pick is just what I need to round out my pickset a bit more. :) I'm glad you mentioned it! :)

Anyway, that double-sided so-called jiggler pick looks like it could be a useful shape and I may make something similar to that as well.. I just got into making auto jigglers and they seem to work ok, but I don't plan on using them much. A mini-jiggler that doubles as a rake might be more versatile.. I won't know until I try it :)

That keychain set looks like it would be fun to try out... Hmmm...
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Postby Chucklz » 14 Sep 2004 19:39

For the best information about making Bogota style rakes, check out the manual Raimundo has posted on Yahoo Locksports. Really take the time to round them over and polish them up well. They take a bit of getting used to. I use them somewhere between a very rapid raking with only a short travel in and out of the lock, to something along the lines of a jiggler.
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Postby Mad Mick » 14 Sep 2004 20:05

These things are the dogs danglies! I have received a couple of samples and they are by far the best I have used to date. Here are the files:
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If you use and refer to these rakes, please credit the creator as Chucklz has.
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Postby Hojo » 15 Sep 2004 7:11

Hey whats with the saftey pin with the spring for???
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Postby randmguy » 15 Sep 2004 14:26

I'll jump on this bandwagon :!: Raimundo's Bogata rakes are some of the most versatile lockpicking tools to come along in a while. They've got a place in the front row of my pick case and I have not used another rake since I got them. I recently put Raimundo's Bogatas up against the HPC computer generated set and picking times were comparable on any lock we tried. They are also very easy picks to make. If any of you have steel you were saving for turning tools (or leftovers from the peterson U-Bend set) I'd try making a set. And yes I will shamelessly plug for Raimundo's Bogata rakes any time someone brings up their favorite/most useful/most inventive picks. :D
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Postby S3rratedSp00L » 15 Sep 2004 15:06

Mad Mick, thanks for posting the bogota howto, I was just going to go look for it! :) I saw it a while back as a PDF or something and threw it in a directory someplace.

Chucklz, I use my sawtooth rake the same way you describe using Raimundo's bogota style rake! :) I am sure a bogota would be a great addition to my set. I think I'll make it out of a sawblade so it fits with my other picks, but that loop handle is interesting. I notices that if you use the top it is more pointed like a triple half diamond sorta thing, and the bottom is more rounded like half balls. I smell versatility there! :)

Do you guys like to make them just like in the picks with the loop for a handle or do any of you like to make your own style of handles for them?

Anyway, to get back on topic, you could always throw a few of these on a keychain! :)

Hmmm... the safety pin and spring are just a holder, right? Not exactly how I would do it, but if it works, it's alright with me! :)

I am going to eat lunch and then grind out at least one bogota! I might play with the spacing because I specifially would like to see how effective I can make a rake for American brand padlocks with spools. They have smaller pins, and I think smaller spacing. I guess I'll take a lok at the cylinder first and compare to the pix showing how the pins sit with the rake inserted. That oughtta help! :)

It's still amazing how the little things really do make such a difference. :)
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Postby Alucard_00 » 17 Sep 2004 21:30

man, I would pay probably $5+ for one of those pairs. If he's selling I'll buy, 'cause I can't get anything but 2mm wide wiper blades, and methinks that's too small.


I think the spring and the pin is a sort of clip, with the spring end being the end that moves, and the picks being shoved into the spring. Just a guess based off of my obervations.
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Postby Mad Mick » 18 Sep 2004 17:18

The spring and safety pin are to hold the two picks together. And they have the added bonus that you can pin them to your clothing.
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Making Them

Postby Beanybaby » 18 Sep 2004 18:09

Heya all,

The bogota rake looks so good and i really want to make one or two of them but i've tried twice now and they both ended up looking like double snakes :( . Hey Ho, i will try again tomorrow. Has anyone else had trouble with them?


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Postby Mad Mick » 18 Sep 2004 18:14

If the second attempt was better than the first, keep at it, you'll get it soon. :wink:
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