what pick for what ?

by **Nose picker** » 23 Sep 2004 5:51

I hace recently bought a pick set, its a 9 piece set with diferent looking picks, has anyone got a link for what one to use for what type of lock. I see you can buy pick sets that have hundres of differerent picks but i only use my diamond one and seems to work on most i try to pick, anyone have a link ???

by **CaptHook** » 23 Sep 2004 6:09

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Chuck

by **WhiteHat** » 23 Sep 2004 6:09

I'm just curious: how long have you been reading this site for? I know you just signed up today, but have you been lurking and reading for a couple of days beforehand?

by **WhiteHat** » 23 Sep 2004 6:10

wow - we posted in the same minute!

by **CaptHook** » 23 Sep 2004 6:14

That was kinda odd.....
Chuck

by **Nose picker** » 23 Sep 2004 6:16

I have been looking for a while, i had original signed up twice and both times i did not recd a email link, hence the duff name. I did try looking in the SEARCH bar but no luckl. So i posted my first thread...

are we going to bicker or can someone help ??

by **Romstar** » 23 Sep 2004 6:19

Me, I was just regurgitating my previous posts on the topic. So, look below for that post. This posting is a combination of several posts I have made in the past on the topic.

1. Small, Medium and Large Diamond, and Half Diamond.

Most people are only familiar with the half diamond, and consequently sometimes refer to it as a triangle pick. However, the original diamond is a two sided pick. Similar to the full ball pick.
There are also double diamonds and double half diamonds. The angles of these picks will also vary. They are most often characterized by their flat, straight shafts. Diamonds also come in small, medium and large.
Half diamonds are used in a similar fashion to the hook pick. However, it is normally inserted straight into the lock. The diamond also makes an acceptable tool for raking. Because of it's sloped entry and exit angle, the pick will impart force to the pins without catching. Additionally, the diamond is able to manipulate pins in a rotational fashion. Thus, assisting the picking of high security locks such as the Medeco.
Originally, the full diamond was intended for use in wafer tumbler locks (see ball pick). However, after creating the half diamond, it proved to be very useful for pin tumblers.
Diamonds, full or half almost always come in small, medium and large sizes.

2. Small, Medium and Large Hook, Lifter or Feeler picks.

So named because of their hook shaped appearance. These picks come in a variety of sizes, but mostly are short, medium or long hooks. The angle will also vary between obtuse and oblique. Vary rarely will you see a hook that points straight up. One of the defining characteristics of this pick is the radiused bottom edge of the hook. A variant of this idea is the deep curve, or deep hook.

These tools are used most commonly to lift pin stacks one at a time to set the shearline. The benefit of these picks is that they can be inserted on an angle, allowing them to slip under a deep pin stack to reach a high set pin further back in the lock.

Deep curve, progressive curve, and slant style hooks. Almost never will you see a lifter or hook pick with a 90' angle.

DeForest style picks.
These are a unique combination of the hook pick, and the diamond. Specifically they are a non-radiused hook with a small diamond shape at the tip.

3. Small, Medium and Large Ball, Double Ball, Half Ball, and Double Half Ball.

These picks are shaped like small discs or balls at the end of the pick shaft. Sometimes you will even see three balls or half balls, but these are rare.
While some people report fair success in raking a pin tumbler lock with these picks, they are most commonly used for picking and raking wafer tumbler locks.

4. Snake (commonly refered to as rake) picks.

Rake is actually a misnomer, as raking is the action applied with a snake, or other pick. Snakes come in several forms. Their defining characteristic however is that they typically combine several opposing curves. These curves are meant to manipulate several pins at once. The most common snakes are designed to overcome a typical low, high, low or high, low high pin combination.
Aditionally, as stated they are often used for raking a lock. Raking is a technique where the pick is inserted into the lock, and withdrawn sharply. This action, combined with the proper tension causes the force to be transfered from the bottom pins, to the upper pins. The result is that all pins seperate at the shear line at once.

These picks come in a variety of configurations and sizes. From simple bump snakes, to the "s", "w" and "j" snakes as well as full pattern snakes also known as riffle picks. Also the classic full and 3/4 "rakes".

5. Pattern or Profile picks.

Pattern or profile picks. Most often typified by the HPC Comp-u-Picks and Majestic's High Tech series. Although the high tech series is more similar to a snake than a pure profile pick.

Often confused with, or grouped with snake picks, the profile and pattern picks are designed to aproximate a large selection of key bittings. By selecting the proper pick, inserting it into the lock, and lifting the pick, an operator can often cause the pins to all raise to the shear line. The most common technique is to raise the pick while moving it in a figure eight fashion.

Feeler picks. Often a thin, narrow strip of metal with a handle. Often used to probe or read both wafer and pin tumber style locks. Limited application, not often found in common pick sets.

Dimple picks. Often typified by the Souber style dimple lock picks. These picks are similar in function to lifter picks, but have a straight shank, and the tip is either fingered, or socketed. These picks come in a variety of sizes.

Wave picks. A snake or rake style pick commonly used on dimple locks. Often typified by the Matador style picks.

Lever picks, these are generally the only type picks you will ever see a 90' angle on. Because of the type of lock they are meant to manipulate.

Tubular picks. These are readily identifiable by their construction. All of them are built around a thin tube with a handle. The exception to this rule is the Peterson Pro, which still has at it's working end the tube and picks. The picking pins are radiused around the circumferance of the tube based upon the number of pins, and the ofset of the lock the pick is meant to manipulate.

3 and 4 finger cross picks. These are often used to pick so called cruciform locks where the keyway appears similar to a cross shape.

This should cover all basic pick patterns. Bear in mind, these are generic definitions, and some picks may not be immediately classifiable.

While there are several other picks this covers the basic groupings and their uses. Over time, experience will tell you the best pick, and tension tool to use with a given lock. Aditionally, some high security locks require the use of several tools in succession to open.
You may find that a hook works perfectly in an Ilco lock, but is difficult to use in a Yale. Further, you may find that a medium hook is too large for a particular lock.

Each of these tools has proven their usefulness over the last 90 years, and they are still made because they continue to be used for their intended purposes. Despite that same number of years in lock refinement.

Experiment with different tools in the same locks. Use different tension techniques, and tension tools. You will soon discover that all of these tools are very useful if you intend to pick a wide variety of locks.

Happy picking,
Romstar

by **alias** » 23 Sep 2004 6:26

That's all well and good Romstar but now he has to actually read all that....all he wanted was some help.

Seriously though, awesome post - it should be stickied on its own and locked in the FAQs.

by **reg** » 23 Sep 2004 6:43

Thanks Romstar, good extensive info as always.

Apart from that a search or a quick look in the faq would have revealed the following thread:
[url]http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=1479
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Cheers,

reg

by **reg** » 23 Sep 2004 6:44

uhm

http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=1479

previewing helps

by **Nose picker** » 23 Sep 2004 7:17

alias and others, thank you very much for your help, but there is no need for snapy coments, i am new to this forum and just getting use to where everything is on the site. coments like are going to scare people away. we should maybe have a site full of FAQ's so no one will even need to post...

Relax

by **Romstar** » 23 Sep 2004 7:24

Ah, jumping in with both feet is the way to go.
You just have to expect some flaws every now and again. <G>

Romstar

by **reg** » 23 Sep 2004 7:36

basic info is basic info and in the faq

I am not a person to jump at people asking info that has been given several times already, but today I might be in a stricter temper.

And if you say you don't know your ways around this site, why don't you familiarize yourself with it first?

by **Nose picker** » 23 Sep 2004 7:57

I'm having a look now, interesting site, sure i'll speak to you guys again

by **thertel** » 23 Sep 2004 12:11

This needs to be stickied in the FAQ's

what pick for what ?

what pick for what ?

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