guide key

by **WhiskeyTango** » 15 Dec 2004 2:24

has anybody used the pickmasters guide keys ? they look pretty cool.
apparently they raise the deepest cut to the shear line automatically to. so its entirely possible with a 5 or 6 pin lock that half of the lock is picked automatically.they go for 15-20 bucks and come with an assortment of weights for the included tension wrench.check it out at

www.pickmasters.net/guide_keys/gdkeys_flat.html
so tell me somebody are they good?

by **Wesson357** » 15 Dec 2004 2:39

Interesting. I've seen the site before but I find it a little weird that they dont have any actual photos of their products.

by **Luke** » 15 Dec 2004 4:11

If you really wanted to bother with them - I DONT SEE THE POINT you could just get a blank and like cut it in half.

But it sounds like a load of bs. They give no backup for anything they say and if it really is - SO good, wouldnt it be Big news in the locksmithing world. I think its bs in the league of fibre picks.

by **PickPick** » 15 Dec 2004 4:30

IMHO it takes away far too much space in the keyway. So maybe the occasional deepest cut is set but if it's in front of another pin that needs to be pushed in a little deeper then you have to get your pick between the pin and the key.

by **Luke** » 15 Dec 2004 4:45

Lockmasters doesnt have a good reputation in general regarding any of their products. Most are concepts that could work - but dont/

by **reboot_zero** » 15 Dec 2004 5:38

Luke wrote:Lockmasters doesnt have a good reputation in general regarding any of their products. Most are concepts that could work - but dont/

lol, I actually think that their concept in reality is to rip people off...

by **PickPick** » 15 Dec 2004 5:49

Luke wrote:Lockmasters doesnt have a good reputation in general regarding any of their products. Most are concepts that could work - but dont/

It's Pickmasters, NOT Lockmasters. Lockmasters is an entirely different outfit. And while Lockmasters still hasn't managed to sort out their bloody pdf catalog, they are a legitimate buisness and a big one, too. It's Pickmasters you need to stay clear of.

by **skold** » 15 Dec 2004 5:56

Lockmasters actually has usefull items luke

by **oldlock** » 15 Dec 2004 6:09

Pickmasters tools have a reputation in the trade (worldwide).

In brief - avoid.

They did have a few salesmen, if you meet one the general advice is to run as fast as you can in the other direction.

Paul

by **Luke** » 15 Dec 2004 7:36

I mixed up the 2 companies sorry. Such close names and both mentioned quite a bit in the locksmithing world. One for good one for laughs.

by **WhiskeyTango** » 17 Dec 2004 2:20

so, nobody has used the guide key then. ok.the pickmasters outfit must have really upset you guys i cant really relate but if anybody wants to rant about the guy at 7-11 who cards you for a lighter at 6 in the morning cause you forgot yours at home and your running late for work and your 27 years old and,and,and.....well lets just say im all in.
whew......i feel great, now i know why you guys bash all of these companies.

by **picksmith** » 29 Dec 2004 23:34

Guide keys are usefull on dimple locks, when they are cut in half as well so they are only taking up half the pin. The pick goes along side them and you have as much room as normal. I have used them on dimple locks and some other high security locks with sidemillings with success, but I have never tried them on pin tumbler locks. The same concept could work for a pin tumbler if thinned to give room for the pick... but it would be a very weak blank and I woulndn't expect much use out of it, depending on what it is made of. I have seen guide keys with a bar attached to them so they may be used as tension wrenches too. In fact there is a kit for sale somewhere for just that. The same co. also makes premade ones. I think it was in the new Lockmasters catolouge, which isn't on the website in pdf yet. Seems guide keys are on somewhat of a comeback.

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