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A Tribute to Raimundo's Picks and Tools

When it comes down to it there is nothing better than manual tools for your Lock pick Set, whether they be retail, homebrew, macgyver style. DIY'ers look here.

A Tribute to Raimundo's Picks and Tools

Postby GWiens2001 » 6 Aug 2013 11:17

Most of us here are familiar with the work of Rai (or Raimundo). Those who are not, are probably fairly new to the site. Have had the privilege of getting a number of his tools, and am constantly amazed with each one. He is creative with the picks and tools he makes, and his dedication to quality is very rare.

Wanted to start a topic showing some of his handiwork, and hopefully more of you will add the tools you have acquired from him as well.

Some of these tools are 'tried and true'. Some are among his latest prototypes. Even have some extra parts he tossed in to show a bit of how he made the parts. Will be going into a little detail of what the picks are for if it is not obvious.

First, the family shot of his tools in my collection.

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This is the first handmade-by-Rai set of Bogotas I have. It is always with me, and has travelled with me a fair bit.

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These are the only of Rai's tools that I have that he did not make (barring my own hand-made Bogotas). They are the Bogota Titan set, part of the Executive set from Serepick.com

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When I wanted a backup set of Bogota picks, got this set.

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Now for something a little different. Well, OK, very different. This is a pick Rai made using a drywall screw. He put the screw into a drill and held it to a grinder to get rid of the threads, then a file and sandpaper to make the shaft smooth and even. He ground the head to the correct diameter, and cut out a quarter of the head. Shaped the other wire.

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Any guesses what kind of lock it is used to pick?

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W-LOK. And why the shaped tip? Because the tip of the key has that shape and must be pressed into the back of the lock, forcing back a spring-loaded plunger, then that tip is used to drive the lock (once the discs are set).

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This hook that Rai sent works so well, it has joined my Bogota set, and is always with me.

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I use it like this, and it is incredibly strong!

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Now you may notice a slight drop in quality in this next tool.

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That is because it is not made by Rai, but by my son. Just had to toss the picture in. :mrgreen: Over a year ago, he made this pick for his warded padlock from mechanic wire - entirely without my knowledge or help. I was impressed when he came into the room showing me that he could pick a lock, too. Then he repeatedly did so. My wife was not quite as impressed. :roll: :lol: Not bad for a kid who was still not 8 years old.

And now back to our regularly scheduled programming...

This next one was included with the W-LOK pick. Rai was working on making a light, but durable, disc detainer pick. To quote Rai, "This is made from a concrete nail spin in the chuck of a power hand drill against a grinder, then file and sanding stick. His idea was to make it light so it doesn't bend if dropped."

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You can see it fits nicely on the bitting of the key of a Chinese disc detainer lock.

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And onto the key of an ABLOY Disclock! (It may need a tiny bit of narrowing)

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And even this super-duper high security lock from Wal-Mart! Well, the lock packaging said it was high security, so it must be true, right? ;-)

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Now for a little fun. I am sure many of you saw the post somebody wrote about this lock and key...

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I placed a key from a Lockwood padlock below the LOB key for scale. How do you pick a lock with a key that long? Here is that key next to a commercially made pick, and my favorite hook - a homebrew made from a wide wiper insert. Let's face it - they just won't reach. The first pin is also waaaay further into the keyway than is normal.

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So what do you do? Rai stepped in with an offer to make a Bogota a bit longer than usual. (It was well worth trading him a lock!)

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WOW, look at that Bogota! Custom made 6-hump, with a ring to hold onto my middle finger (he even asked what my finger size was!). That ring really helps with proper leverage and control when trying to pick that lock.

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But there was still a problem.

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Uh-oh! That deeply set first pin meant that your standard off-the-shelf (:lol:) 6 hump Bogota still won't reach. Also, there is still a problem with the high-low-high-low-high-low (etcetera) bitting. You can't get enough angle to lift the high bittings deep inside the lock up high enough to set. :evil: I could cheat :twisted: and pick from both ends of the lock and get it open, but in real life, you usually do not have access to both sides of the lock. :-(

So what to do? Rai had another idea. As usual, it was a pretty good idea, and it worked!

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Not only does it work, if I ever come across a 13, or even a 14 linear pin lock, the pick would still reach! Rai referred to this as a 'Wave Rake Bogota', and I suspect it is also unique. :-D The high/low variation of the peaks was enough to get all pins except one. Had use a wiper insert to make a hook long enough to reach the 11th pin.

And last, but certainly not least, a prototype disc detainer pick. Made from concrete nails, brass tubing, a wood furniture handle, a wire nut, and of course, Gorilla Glue. Let's face it… if it does not have duct tape, wire, or Gorilla Glue, a guy did not make it. :-D

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Here are the steps Rai took to make main part of the detainer pick. (This is his actual work, sent to me so I could see what he did). He started with a concrete nail, put it into a drill, and held it to a grinder to get the rough shape. Then he used a file and sanding block to finalize the size and finish of the spindle. Then he ground/filed/sanded the head of the nail to flatten it, then finalized the size and shape of the head. The part of this that turns the discs is NOT going to fall off.

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My sincere thanks to Rai for the work he does that benefit all of us, and his willingness to share his knowledge with all of us.

So let's see some more of Rai's work guys! Please post pictures of your tools and picks made by Rai.

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Re: A Tribute to Raimundo's Picks and Tools

Postby fgarci03 » 6 Aug 2013 19:49

Awesome write up Gordon!

GWiens2001 wrote:Some of these tools are 'tried and true'.

I particulary like that part :mrgreen:

Congrats to your son on managing to build a warded pick out of thin air! Most of my friends can't do it EVEN AFTER I explain them how those locks work.

And to add something to it, here's my collection of Rai's handmade tools:
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On the left - Snapper
Top Right - Euro style Bogota pair (peaks down)
Bottom Right - American style Bogota pair (peaks up)

They have never let me down :mrgreen:
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Re: A Tribute to Raimundo's Picks and Tools

Postby Ruff_Dog » 23 Aug 2013 18:59

Wow. These look awesome. I've wanted a set from Serepick for a long time. Are Raimundo's so much better than Serepick's? Is it that noticeable?
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Re: A Tribute to Raimundo's Picks and Tools

Postby GWiens2001 » 23 Aug 2013 19:53

Two answers to that question. The Bogota Titans are an authorized copy of Raimundo's Bogota picks. The handmade Bogota pick at Serepick ARE Raimundo's picks. :-)

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Re: A Tribute to Raimundo's Picks and Tools

Postby phrygianradar » 23 Aug 2013 23:53

I have the Serepick Titan Bogota's and they are really great. Like you Gordon, they are always on me and funny enough, they let me into my own house today as I left my house keys at work and had no garage opener. Thank you Rai! And thank you Gordon for showing us this amazingly inspired stuff. I have been dreaming of those disk detainer picks that you actually own!

Just out of curiosity, and since we have the same exact W-Lok; did it work? What an inventive solution to that problem. This thread has totally inspired me to get back in my garage and make some tools of my own. Then, when that fails, to PM Rai and ask him so I can get some real ones! :lol:

Great thread, thank you. By the way, you just may be raising a lock picking prodigy. His pick looks awesome.
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Re: A Tribute to Raimundo's Picks and Tools

Postby RubberBanned » 2 Oct 2013 19:31

Here is my 6 piece set received as a gift from a friend of mine for my birthday. I'm not terribly proficient with their usem yet, but i love them, and always carry them. I can buzz open quite a few of my locks with them.
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Re: A Tribute to Raimundo's Picks and Tools

Postby YouLuckyFox » 11 Nov 2013 2:43

I'll apologize for excessive photos in advance! Also, the tools Rai made are so shiny that it was hard to get my camera to focus the way I wanted, so for that I also apologize.

Rai was helpful in making all of the following tools, with more to come! I am very appreciative of the time that was spent making these tools.

Here are the traditional Bogota pair along-side the micro-palming set.
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Because much of Rai's work is on tactical sites like SEREpick and ITS Tactical I feel it would be good to point out the following: I wear a pinkie ring and like to hold the Bogotas as shown in the picture. Note how well they can be concealed in a slightly palmed hand. Rai told me that the mini-Bogotas are to be used as part of "a magicians move, they can be very securely hidden in the hand if you have a finger ring that they can be hooked under." Though they are not meant to be held in the fashion that I show in my picture, I feel the pictures demonstrate how well both the standard-size Bogotas and micro-palming set can be concealed.
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Next here's the loop-handle Bogota and loop-handle hook. The Bogota is made from street sweeper bristle, as with everything else unless I make special note. It is probably my favorite Bogota to use, I like how well the feedback delivers with the loop handled picks. The loop-handle hook is made from stainless steel wire.
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I like to hold it as shown, I like that it can be "fulcrumed" between my thumb and index finger and "leveraged" using my middle finger to raise the tip of the pick, rather than by leveraging against the bottom of the keyway like with most picks. Also, the feedback is wonderful as noted with the loop-handled Bogota.
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Also, from a tactical perspective, the loop-handle hook fits under my ring and the ring can overlap the handle of the hook, effectively concealing it from outside view:
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What is meant by the above is that the ring covers the entire handle from the outside and that it is virtually invisible when the hand is slightly cupped around it. I do not include a picture of this because it would just look like a picture of my hand with a ring on it; I will, however, include a picture of the handle right before I pull my ring over to cover it.
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Next we have the Monserates and Sabana. John King has already detailed these well, so I won't make any special note here other than to say that I really like the Monserates and Sabanas for help with high-lo combinations.
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Single, double, triple, quad:
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The peaks and valleys seem to be spaced just right on all of these; whenever a peak raises a pin, the two valleys surrounding the peak let the respectively surrounding pins down. That way when using the Bogotas it is very easy to dance the pins back and forth across the shear line with relatively little movement.

Here's something I haven't seen anywhere else, a DeForest Bogota:
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Compared with a standard book:
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The curve of the DeForest is somewhat subtle, so I placed it with the hook in the traditional spring-carriage to show the DeForest and hook side-by-side. Click on image for better details, same goes for all photos:
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Here's another set of new-comers, Rai refers to them as "slight hooks" they are keyway specific picks! They are specifically made for American and other small keyways, they work well on a Eagle padlock and an American padlock I recently purchased.
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Here they are compared with the standard hook and DeForest. Note the difference in angle:
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Next is the Euro-style Bogotas and custom-snapper:
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It took awhile to get the hang of a snapper, but I have been able to figure it out and it works very well on SC1 and KW1.

Finally there's a stainless steel tension wrench made from bike-spoke that Rai made, it really is quite nice and the fact that it is polished makes a nice difference for me. Rai mentioned that the finish has everything to do with the metal, it has that mirror finish without any polishing, but you can tell care was taken in making it. The craftsmanship really is quite amazing, how it tapers to a round at one end and how its bends are similar to the bends in the pistol grip of the Bogotas.
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A quick note on these tools, I am still understanding their full potential, I first used my Bogotas in the traditional scrubbing technique, but have recently began trying to go for the "had too much coffee" motion that Rai speaks of and have marginally increased results with greater economy of movement. All that to say that I still have a lot to learn and that the tools don't make the craftsman, but hopefully I will come to fully appreciate the efficiency of these tools over time. Any tips on how to better use these tools are welcome and appreciated.
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Re: A Tribute to Raimundo's Picks and Tools

Postby YouLuckyFox » 28 Dec 2013 16:20

The latest from Rai:

Nesting Slight Hooks with Loop Handles and DeForest Bogota with Loop Handle
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With the Nesting Slight Hooks decoupled:
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Re: A Tribute to Raimundo's Picks and Tools

Postby murkypig » 20 Jan 2014 8:36

Hi, I'm curious to know does Euro-style Bogotas makes any different in picking Euro-mounted locks or the regulars Bogota are just fine too?
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Re: A Tribute to Raimundo's Picks and Tools

Postby MrAnybody » 20 Jan 2014 9:11

murkypig wrote:Hi, I'm curious to know does Euro-style Bogotas makes any different in picking Euro-mounted locks or the regulars Bogota are just fine too?


Yes, they do if the lock is mounted with the pins in the 6 o'clock position and Rai's original bended handle design is used.

Rai's bend in the handles is intended to 'try' and restrict the amount of pressure you can put on the pins as with Bogota moves. As you know, the handle is not a natural thing to hold. It's slightly awkward and small. But it's done that way so the user will hopefully learn not to put a lot of pressure on the pins.

From that point of view, the euro bogotas are useful for euro locks. If the user is using a US bogota in a european lock then they'd just use it upside down. That's OK. That works. But only if the user is already aware to go very lightly with pressure on the pins. This is when bogotas work at their fullest potential.

Whether any Bogota works on any given lock depends hugely on if the user has practiced a lot and is aware that very, very little pressure is needed on the bogota itself, and the tension tool being used.
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Re: A Tribute to Raimundo's Picks and Tools

Postby murkypig » 20 Jan 2014 10:01

Hi MrAnybody, thank you for the advise. As we are very much a euro-style type locks, think i will ask Rai for euro-style bogota.
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Re: A Tribute to Raimundo's Picks and Tools

Postby murkypig » 20 Jan 2014 10:16

Hi, what about using the euro-style bogota on padlocks? does the regular bogota is more comfortable?
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Re: A Tribute to Raimundo's Picks and Tools

Postby MrAnybody » 20 Jan 2014 10:24

murkypig wrote:Hi, what about using the euro-style bogota on padlocks? does the regular bogota is more comfortable?


Either is good. Just depends on practice.
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Re: A Tribute to Raimundo's Picks and Tools

Postby fgarci03 » 22 Jan 2014 7:36

murkypig wrote:Hi, I'm curious to know does Euro-style Bogotas makes any different in picking Euro-mounted locks or the regulars Bogota are just fine too?


Here's a video of EuroStyle Bogotas being used both on a lock Euro and US oriented:


After this, I also got a pair of regular Bogotas, so I just use any of them based on the lock itself, but you can actually work with any on any lock, given you just practice a little the upside down picking!
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Re: A Tribute to Raimundo's Picks and Tools

Postby youngpick » 22 Jan 2014 20:08

Have you guys found as much use for the single hump bogotas as the triple humps?
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