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auto picks

When it comes down to it there is nothing better than manual tools for your Lock pick Set, whether they be retail, homebrew, macgyver style. DIY'ers look here.

auto picks

Postby jk2k5 » 1 Dec 2014 1:42

I have used this site for some time as a reference for lock picking. I work in law enforcement and use my novice skills of lock picking for home entry on medical and welfare related calls, auto entry, and destructive entry when necessary with SWAT type operations to at least minimize damage to properties. I use the Goso 23 pc set http://gosolockpicks.com/goso-23pcs-lock-pick-set like this one for auto entry but I don't understand what all the picks do. Can anyone explain the different picks and what they do as far as types of vehicles or locks? I have only been able to use two of them that actually work with auto locks. I understand not all in this kit are auto picks. If I can't figure out locks in the first five minutes or so I switch to slim jims or a big easy, but its always nice to show off some lock picking skills.
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Re: auto picks

Postby jk2k5 » 1 Dec 2014 3:05

I realize this is border lining the advanced section. Since I am not allowed access to those sections if possible explain each pick without violating the forum rules and giving away secrets to criminals.
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Re: auto picks

Postby Squelchtone » 1 Dec 2014 9:23


I'll allow this thread here for the time being, but the reality is that we need to keep a clear distinction with the forum rules and *any* automotive picking questions honestly belong in the Advanced area. Otherwise it opens up Pandora's box to others skirting the rules and asking things outside of the automotive sub-forum. I may move this thread later today after I have some coffee and get a minute to mull it over.

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Re: auto picks

Postby nite0wl » 5 Dec 2014 12:19

Looking at the contents of that kit it seems to be pretty general purpose and not necessarily specific to automotive locks.
In general terms the contents are as follows using this picture for reference (from the vendor page referenced by the OP):
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    1. Dimple rake, used on dimple locks
    2. Bogota-style half-diamond (seems a bit larger than most)
    3-7. Double sided wafer rakes/jigglers, used on double sided locks (usually wafers) sometimes used with a traditional raking motion, sometimes with a more sedate jagged lifter technique.
    8-12,14. A selection of hooks, used for normal Single-pin lifting techniques (14 may also be usable as an impromptu warded pick if it is sturdy enough and might even be usable on dimple locks)
    13, 15-18. Rakes, mostly modeled after the Bogata family of jiggler tools
    19. A more standard style of half diamond, useful in a variety of locks with many different techniques, also useful as a probe for examining locks to check the number of pins or test for damage/malfunction
    20. Half-snowman, sometimes used as a jagged lifter, sometimes as a jiggler, can be used as a probe similarly to a half-diamond because of the flat 'back side'
    Tension tools (counter-clockwise from top):
    1. Double ended 'wishbone' tool, useful on double sided locks (it leaves the middle of the keyway open for your pick)
    2-4. double ended flat tension tools, possibly usable for both center (top) of the keyway and edge (bottom) of the keyway tensioning. The longer ends are usually used to provide reach or clearance for recessed keyways or to make it easier to work around obstructions.
Most of these tools should be useful in a variety of locks from furniture and cabinet locks to full size deadbolt cylinders and even some more 'Advanced' types of locks.
Hopefully that addressed the OP's question without going into any Advanced topics.
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Re: auto picks

Postby nite0wl » 5 Dec 2014 12:34

I feel that it might help some of the concerns about the issue of Advanced topics and better address the OP's question to add an addendum to my earlier reply.
These tools seem to be geared towards wafer locks, traditional (blade-style) pin-tumbler and dimple locks, I doubt that these tools would be particularly useful for other styles of locks which are likely to be found on newer vehicles or high security deadbolts and padlocks.
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Re: auto picks

Postby jk2k5 » 28 Dec 2014 4:43

Thanks for the info.. I have used the double sided wafer rakes on a number of newer vehicles successfully. Of course I am talking about four and five years old. Which goes to show the lack of security in them.
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Re: auto picks

Postby nite0wl » 28 Dec 2014 12:43

The important thing is to develop an understanding of the different lock mechanisms and the ability to identify them by a combination of sight (things visible from the exterior) and probing (things felt and heard when using a tool to explore the lock). If you can identify the type of mechanism you can select the appropriate tools and techniques.
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