pins set, but door still locked

[marvin_gohan]

I have picked several locks in the past few days, to prove that it isn't my skills getting rusty, but i have a problem w/ the new lock on my room. It is, i'm assuming a cheap lock as my landlord would not spend anything extra on stuff like that, lol, but to the problem:

I have picked it and the pins all seem to be set, and the core does turn, but it remains locked. Anyone have any idea how this is possible?

Also i noticed once, that after i had finished setting the pins the core would not turn, and i accidentally released some pressure and 1 pin fell back down, and THEN the core turned, but still with the same problem listed above.

I managed to unlock this door once, but i'm not sure what i did differently that time, any and all ideas would be greatly appreciated!!

[SFGOON]

Gee, what do you think would happen if some dastardly type put driver pins in that lock that were shaped like spools? Why I bet the plug would turn about 5 degrees then stop! They would call such an evil contraption a "security pin" or "spool doohickey" and it would thwart standard lockpicking! I bet you need to use a little bit lighter tension when you're picking, that may solve it. You also might want to develop a better feel, as well as expand your knowledge of locks...

[Chrispy]

It depends on how far the core (or plug) turns. If it turns about 5 degrees, then it's a spool pin. It it turns all the way around and still doesn't open the lock, you might need to pick the lock in the other direction or use a plug spinner. Or if the plug turns (and you know it's the right direction) then you may need to apply that extra bit of tension to get the bolt to retract. Or you could smash the sh*t out of the lock in frustration and jump up and down on the remains screaming "DIE LOCK DIE!!"

[Chucklz]

or you could have a euro style lock that requires you to depress something at the back of the lock to engage the cam properly.

[marvin_gohan]

It is definately not a driver or spool pin lock, the core turns the full 45+ degrees, i have also tried picking the pins in both directions.

The hardest things to understand about this lock is in some situations letting one pin fall back to it's begining position lets this happen. I supposed this could mean that pin is meant to stay down, but it does not appear like that on the key.

I will try using a lighter tension wrench, but any more thoughts are welcome.. since picking this lock is not exactly necessary, i'd kind of like to avoid destroying it, but thanks anyway, lol.

[Chrispy]

Do you mean 90 degrees?

As in the keyway starts here: |

And ends up like this: __


I'm starting to lean towards Chucklz' theory......

[cha0s]

got a picture of the lock?

[stick]

You overset one of the pins. When you released some of the tension, the driver pin dropped below the shear line, and the lock was only completely picked then.

[Minion]

Hmm... If this is a deadbolt, can you hear the deadbolt moving at all? If so, you might need to put pressure on the door inwards (releasing tension from the deadbolt).

OR!

You could try pulling the cylinder out. If it pops out into your lap and the rest of the pins come flying out of the empty hole in the door, you probably picked the 'replace core' pin in the very back. It's like that fat red 'do not push' button connected to the nuclear bomb.

Hope that helped, but it probably didn't.

[marvin_gohan]

(yes i meant 90 degrees, oops)
It is just a standard door lock in a handle, not deadbolt.

It is made by the Defiant company if that helps at all.

[marvin_gohan]

Though it is much more difficult, it seems the lock can be picked in both directions, it has taken me quite a bit of time, but it can be done the other way, so i guess that may be the best option. Looks like i need more practice than i thought.
Thanks for all your help, it has been greatly appreciated

[Mad Mick]

It seems some of you have overlooked something....

...but i have a problem w/ the new lock on my room. It is, i'm assuming a cheap lock as my landlord would not spend anything extra on stuff like that...

LEAVE THE LOCK ALONE!!!
Since you are renting/leasing the property, you have right to be picking this lock. Get yourself a practice lock and be thankful you haven't yet buggered up the landlord's lock.

[Mad Mick]

should read:
Since you are renting/leasing the property, you have no right to be picking this lock. Get yourself a practice lock and be thankful you haven't yet buggered up the landlord's lock.