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Need very old rim cylinder

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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby shutterstuff » 15 Feb 2017 8:16

jimu57 wrote:Sent your pic to a locksmith in CA. He keeps lots of old hardware. Going to check with a local one. Been in the business for 40-some years.

Jim


Thank you! I do appreciate it.
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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby tjohn » 15 Feb 2017 11:02

I sent you the PM, I have a bunch in 626 but they all require a round hole so you will have to adapt the handleset :(
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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby shutterstuff » 15 Feb 2017 11:25

tjohn wrote:I sent you the PM, I have a bunch in 626 but they all require a round hole so you will have to adapt the handleset :(


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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby jimu57 » 15 Feb 2017 12:37

Early Schage E Series handle set. No longer made. Not a rim cylinder. My buddy in CA has some cylinders for these and has some deadbolt cylinders that will work if you make the hole round. I am sending you a PM with his name and phone number.

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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby billdeserthills » 15 Feb 2017 14:42

I actually have one of these early handleset chassis units in my shop, and I can't see why you don't just use a schlage deadbolt housing?
The holes on my chassis unit line up fine with a newer schlage housing

Also if you wanna see something crazy, take a look on ebay at what these old handlesets are selling for
Last one I repaired needed a chassis unit and an E series latch and instantly became worth $500!
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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby shutterstuff » 15 Feb 2017 15:28

billdeserthills wrote:I actually have one of these early handleset chassis units in my shop, and I can't see why you don't just use a schlage deadbolt housing?
The holes on my chassis unit line up fine with a newer schlage housing

Also if you wanna see something crazy, take a look on ebay at what these old handlesets are selling for
Last one I repaired needed a chassis unit and an E series latch and instantly became worth $500!


Bill, I already tried a newer Schlage deadbolt housing. I took a picture next to a B560 housing and the holes still do not line up.

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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby shutterstuff » 15 Feb 2017 16:26

jimu57 wrote:Early Schage E Series handle set. No longer made. Not a rim cylinder. My buddy in CA has some cylinders for these and has some deadbolt cylinders that will work if you make the hole round. I am sending you a PM with his name and phone number.

jim


Thank you Jim! Doug is the bees knees. Long, fun conversation on the phone as well. He reminds me of my mentor who lost his battle with cancer last month.

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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby jimu57 » 15 Feb 2017 16:37

No problem Sheldon. He is a wealth of knowledge.

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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby billdeserthills » 15 Feb 2017 23:53

shutterstuff wrote:
billdeserthills wrote:I actually have one of these early handleset chassis units in my shop, and I can't see why you don't just use a schlage deadbolt housing?
The holes on my chassis unit line up fine with a newer schlage housing

Also if you wanna see something crazy, take a look on ebay at what these old handlesets are selling for
Last one I repaired needed a chassis unit and an E series latch and instantly became worth $500!


Bill, I already tried a newer Schlage deadbolt housing. I took a picture next to a B560 housing and the holes still do not line up.

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I hear ya, the older housing lines up, because the screw holes are tapped for the 10/32 screws
I have a few in my junk box, be happy to send you one, it isn't shaped for your rose, but as you said you can cut the out
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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby shutterstuff » 16 Feb 2017 0:04

billdeserthills wrote:I hear ya, the older housing lines up, because the screw holes are tapped for the 10/32 screws
I have a few in my junk box, be happy to send you one, it isn't shaped for your rose, but as you said you can cut the out


Thanks Bill. I think I may have found one. Awaiting for email reply.
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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby Evan » 3 Mar 2017 20:46

[quote="shutterstuff"]Long story as short as I can make it. Crime scene. Lock damaged. Cop and widow standing over me and I drilled at an angle as you can see. Door has temporary lock but widow wants original if at all possible as the 80 year old doors is beautiful (I agree). Old Schlage's have non standard screw spacing and I have an T shaped hole to work with. The new Ilco cylinder is next to the original to show the hole difference. I am hoping someone has an old rim cylinder laying in a junk box they can sell me. If it was not for the screw spacing, I would just modify the hole in the handle to work with a new rim cylinder. I already searched Ebay with no luck.

@shutterstuff:

Did you ever resolve this issue ?

If not, you might need to manufacture your own rim cylinder with the non-standard hole spacing by obtaining a new rim and mortise cylinder and gutting them swapping the shells so that you can drill your own mounting screw holes in the shell from the mortise cylinder.

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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby shutterstuff » 3 Mar 2017 20:58

Evan wrote:Did you ever resolve this issue ?

If not, you might need to manufacture your own rim cylinder with the non-standard hole spacing by obtaining a new rim and mortise cylinder and gutting them swapping the shells so that you can drill your own mounting screw holes in the shell from the mortise cylinder.

~~ Evan


I did solve this issue. I found an original via a referral here. The cylinder even uses the old B keyway so it works and looks original. I repinned it and cut new keys and it works like new. i will be installing it next week when the owner gets back in town.
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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby jimu57 » 3 Mar 2017 21:04

From Doug?
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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby shutterstuff » 3 Mar 2017 22:11

jimu57 wrote:From Doug?


Yes. Very nice guy! He even called today to make sure it was OK and said he found another cylinder in the C keyway if I was interested. Thanks for the referral!!!
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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby jimu57 » 4 Mar 2017 10:55

Any time. Thats what we do here.
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