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old victor safe question

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old victor safe question

Postby Northlandlocksmith » 27 Jul 2017 19:04

I will avoid rhetoric which would be reserved for advanced forums. I understand the technique used to open safe locks by feel, I am not asking for information on the theory of such techniques.

I'm planning non-destructive entry of an old victor safe I'm hoping I can get a few clues as to how this may be similar or different to a modern mechanical dial, or if SOP will apply.

Is this lock similar in operation to other more popular locks I may have more information about?

took no useful full safe photos, only photographed this info. If needed I can ask the customer to send me a full safe photo to post.
dial/lever stamped patent 1910
214384-1 on the rim of knob portion, unsure if that is the serial or a patent number
safe rests on wheels
lever to throw bolts is on dial.

I will be doing a bit more research on this after dinner, specifically reading though patent documents.
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Re: old victor safe question

Postby GWiens2001 » 27 Jul 2017 19:30

A picture of the safe lock dial might help us identify the lock. The dialing can be different for different locks.

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Re: old victor safe question

Postby kwoswalt99- » 27 Jul 2017 20:53

Sounds like a Julius Bing safe.
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Re: old victor safe question

Postby Northlandlocksmith » 27 Jul 2017 21:20

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Re: old victor safe question

Postby GWiens2001 » 27 Jul 2017 21:31

No pictures when I click on the link

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Re: old victor safe question

Postby Northlandlocksmith » 27 Jul 2017 21:34

I need to read through this a few times its dense, the picture looks promising at first glance although i'm afraid to jump to conclusions.

whole patent + image link
https://www.google.com/patents/US975549

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https://patentimages.storage.googleapis ... 5549-0.png
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Re: old victor safe question

Postby Northlandlocksmith » 28 Jul 2017 11:05

Firstly, I looked at those J. Bing safes, and I can see how my description led to that, however that's not the type.

Secondly, as far as the link above referring to the patent information, I know that the patent shows a lock fixed to a round door. The patent itself seems to refer to an improvement which makes the lock easier to work on when changing the combination. My assumption is that the round door is in the patent for example purposes and that the mechanical operation of the lock itself would remain the same on a floor safe of similar make and era. I do understand that is an assumption. If no one has information otherwise in forced to assume the drop-in area rests in a very common spot and may be opened quite normally.

Thirdly, the first link I provided attaching pictures I took leads nowhere. In a later post I successfully added the poor pictures that I did take. It was my first time using that web service.

Lastly, I cannot stress enough how much I appreciate everyone's time. Your knowledge is priceless! I had held off on a membership here thinking it was a site full of only sport picking forums... and I have no interest in picking medeco locks, the only people who need that info are the self-proclaimed "boring" folks employed by the "US dept. of Forestry." At 26 I'm the youngest independent locksmith in Minnesota to my knowledge. My age alone should allow you to assume i'll be back soon with more questions.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!
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