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The lockout key

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The lockout key

Postby Sinifar » 10 Apr 2016 10:11

Okay, this is another locksmith made only thing.

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This has been called a lockout key or a witch key. The purpose is to lock out a tenant when they don't pay the rent. OR something similar. by law you cannot enter the rental unit to change the lock, and this allows you to lock out the problem without entering the premises.

The pair are hand made - so look at my witch key and take notes of how it is made. You will need several key blanks to get this right, so take your time. Once you get the thing down, you can make more quickly, but it is that first one which will take sometime to craft.

Start with the lower piece. this is a actual lockout. You need to remove most of the key blank down to the #8 cut for the first four cuts, leaving that hook on the end to capture the 4th pin, and lock up the piece in the cylinder. Note that you also need a steeple or ramp on the end pointing to the front so you can slip this under the pins when removing it.

The next problem is solve is how far this goes into the lock. You need a stop on the front end so the thing won't get shoved all the way thru the lock - here is the problem. AS shown in most books there is a "tail" sticking out which some problem will try to pull out using a piers and breaking the thing off, and making a worse problem. Here you need to work carefully, and find out just how much of that bottom edge you need to keep from going into the lock, and how much you need so there is nothing sticking out. Once you find that you are half way home.

Now how, without a "tail" to grab can you get the locking piece out?

Into making the top part.

First shave off most of the bottom of a blank leaving the other half like it originally was - and fit the front into the hook so it snuggles into the lockout part. Now - before you go and totally shave off the blank we need to get an "extractor" built into the top part. Here you need to fit things carefully.

NOTE the difference in the heights of the two parts and how they fit together -- now, at the front end you are going to leave a "pin" or finger sticking down. It should be about .060 in width, and about .030 deep, and about 3/32" if an inch "in" from the end of the lockout piece. Carefully figure out where this has to go - and then shave off the top part leaving that pin sticking down.

ON the bottom lockout piece, make a pocket about .060 where the pin sticks down. Now the two should interlock when in the cylinder.

The way this works is this, and you will have to fit this carefully - insert the lockout part. Then slip in the top. Pick up on the bow as the pin goes in, then once it is all the way in (as you fitted it) push down. this should engage the pin the the pocket, and then simply pull gently and the two should slide out of the lock. It may take some time to get this right, but when it does it works so slick!

No tail sticking out, nothing to force in or out, and the removal is so slick that the tenant won't know how you did it.

Try it!

I may make up a drawing from my notes and post it later - but for now --

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Re: The lockout key

Postby Sinifar » 10 Apr 2016 15:07

Just a quick note here - both the lockout key and the Brinks key are considered "accessories" to a MK system, expanding the capabilities of the thing and providing more options in the list of things which a MK system can do.

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Re: The lockout key

Postby Squelchtone » 10 Apr 2016 15:09

for those without equipment or patience to make your own, CLK Supplies sells them:

http://www.clksupplies.com/products/schlage-lockout-key



Thanks for the write up Sinifar,
Squelchtone

PS. Moving this from Master Keyed Systems to Locksmith Lounge
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Re: The lockout key

Postby ckc123 » 10 Apr 2016 19:17

Sinifar wrote:Now how, without a "tail" to grab can you get the locking piece out?


maybe I'm missing the point. I know it's temporary and to keep the tenant out.. but it's not that hard to defeat..

all it takes is a paperclip to get it out/open..

insert, lift.. now all pins are up, and you have the tail sticking out, and you can pull it out with your fingers..
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Re: The lockout key

Postby Joshua904 » 10 Apr 2016 19:41

Pretty sure pissed of tenants aren't going to bother fishing out the partial key. Breaking stuff or making a call would seem more likely.

Unless your tenant is one of the members here.
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Re: The lockout key

Postby GWiens2001 » 10 Apr 2016 19:49

It has seemed to me over the years that people are completely clueless about locks.

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Re: The lockout key

Postby MatrixBlackRock » 11 Apr 2016 6:49

Sinifar wrote:This has been called a lockout key or a witch key. The purpose is to lock out a tenant when they don't pay the rent. OR something similar. by law you cannot enter the rental unit to change the lock, and this allows you to lock out the problem without entering the premises.

Sinifar


Also called a blockout blade, which is what I thought it was.

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Re: The lockout key

Postby ckc123 » 11 Apr 2016 7:18

GWiens2001 wrote:It has seemed to me over the years that people are completely clueless about locks.

Gordon


which was why the little tail sticking out was bothering me.. the first thing the tenant is going to try to do is yank it out with pliers and break it off.. if you have a design like the last one (I was thinking a similar one in my head as well.) then there is nothing for them to reach to mess around with.
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Re: The lockout key

Postby Sinifar » 11 Apr 2016 7:49

Actually, that BEST lockout key is very similar to what I had written about. The difference is the little tab to pull out the lockout unit is on the top half not the bottom. It works either way.

Yes that little tail sticking out was a problem, until I figured out how to make the lockout section fit flush with the plug face. This solved the problem.

Will post out better pix and a drawing shortly when i get a chance to -- a bit busy at the present time.

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