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Need very old rim cylinder

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Need very old rim cylinder

Postby shutterstuff » 14 Feb 2017 15:52

Long story as short as I can make it. Crime scene. Lock damaged. Cop and widow standing over me and I drilled at an angle as you can see. Door has temporary lock but widow wants original if at all possible as the 80 year old doors is beautiful (I agree). Old Schlage's have non standard screw spacing and I have an T shaped hole to work with. The new Ilco cylinder is next to the original to show the hole difference. I am hoping someone has an old rim cylinder laying in a junk box they can sell me. If it was not for the screw spacing, I would just modify the hole in the handle to work with a new rim cylinder. I already searched Ebay with no luck.

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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby Silverado » 14 Feb 2017 16:32

Oddly enough that looks like a familiar shape. I will look to see what I have. Hopefully!
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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby jimu57 » 14 Feb 2017 17:27

Something like this?

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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby shutterstuff » 14 Feb 2017 19:32

No, I have an old Russwin and the holes do not line up either. I also tried an Elgin.

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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby billdeserthills » 14 Feb 2017 19:59

You are asking for a rim cylinder, which would have a fixed tailpiece, but that won't work for your purpose, because you
really need a cylinder with a lazy tailpiece
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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby jimu57 » 14 Feb 2017 21:03

I have an old Corbin with fixed tail piece. Hole to hole is 13/16".
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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby shutterstuff » 14 Feb 2017 22:07

billdeserthills wrote:You are asking for a rim cylinder, which would have a fixed tailpiece, but that won't work for your purpose, because you
really need a cylinder with a lazy tailpiece


That is correct, I was showing the screw hole difference on what wont fit.
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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby shutterstuff » 14 Feb 2017 22:08

jimu57 wrote:I have an old Corbin with fixed tail piece. Hole to hole is 13/16".


From what I understand, this hole spacing is Schlage only.
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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby tjohn » 14 Feb 2017 22:17

this is not a rim cylinder, nor will any rim cylinder work.
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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby shutterstuff » 14 Feb 2017 22:26

tjohn wrote:this is not a rim cylinder, nor will any rim cylinder work.


If there is another name for it, I have no idea what it is. I just know that the exact part is the only thing that will work in this handle set.
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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby jimu57 » 14 Feb 2017 23:06

Looks like you may have to make the hole round.
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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby shutterstuff » 14 Feb 2017 23:10

jimu57 wrote:Looks like you may have to make the hole round.


Look at the second picture closely and notice the difference in the 2 cylinders (ignore the tailpiece). Making the hole round is not the issue, the alignment of the mounting screws is non standard. This is why I am looking to see if anyone has one of the old ones laying around.
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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby jimu57 » 15 Feb 2017 7:23

Sent your pic to a locksmith in CA. He keeps lots of old hardware. Going to check with a local one. Been in the business for 40-some years.

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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby Silverado » 15 Feb 2017 7:39

Never mind on my part. The one I had that I thought would work is similar, but not quite the same configuration. It was the bolt holes and cylinder being nearly in a horizontal line that made me think it'd work...Close but no cigar!
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Re: Need very old rim cylinder

Postby shutterstuff » 15 Feb 2017 8:15

Silverado wrote:Never mind on my part. The one I had that I thought would work is similar, but not quite the same configuration. It was the bolt holes and cylinder being nearly in a horizontal line that made me think it'd work...Close but no cigar!


Thanks for checking! I honestly didn't think this part was going to be that hard to find.
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