Bumping Topic

by **Buggs41** » 22 Oct 2005 22:44

Just a statement. That is all.

If you felt it was directed at you, Think again.

by **devildog** » 22 Oct 2005 23:03

Ok, nevermind. My apologies. I'm really confused now, but as long as no ones offended anymore, oh well...

by **Chrispy** » 22 Oct 2005 23:08

Awww shucks, now what are we gonna do if we can't offend devildogs anymore? Maaaannn....

by **devildog** » 22 Oct 2005 23:19

Go pick a lock?

by **helix** » 23 Oct 2005 2:08

101 Ways to steal a car:

PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE!

101 Ways to break into a house:

PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE!

How to <insert anything illegal>

PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE!

...Doesn't mean that we should advise on the subject though, does it?

by **Dimmy Locks** » 23 Oct 2005 3:02

Wow, I didn't know I was going to be the one responsible for starting WW3. !!

all this is great debate as to wether BUMPING is in or not in public domain, and should we or should we not be seen to be "encouraging" it's perceived proliferation, but is there any chance of getting back to the ORIGINAL posting query of the simple matter of actually having BUMPING as a topic listed on the main FORUM page in its own right?

To clarify my position on World War Bump, I don't care WHERE the subject matter is discussed on this site, so long as it's organised in 1 place, and so long as I have access to it so I can add comments about my methods, successes and failures, and gain advice and insight from others trying to improve themselves and the method itself. Also, I thought the site was about sharing experiences and knowledge on N/D lock bypassing methods , which I consider BUMPING to be just another method. No better or worse than any other method, simply a different discipline as far as N/D fans are concerned.

by **toomush2drink** » 23 Oct 2005 3:40

Also, I thought the site was about sharing experiences and knowledge on N/D lock bypassing methods , which I consider BUMPING to be just another method. No better or worse than any other method, simply a different discipline as far as N/D fans are concerned.

Read the url again, its lockpicking101 not lock bypass 101 and thats my point. Sure a lot of locksmiths are on this site but that doesnt mean every bypass has to be discussed in the open sections or on this forum for that matter.There is plenty of stuff in the advanced sections that isnt common public knowledge especially some of the car stuff and i feel it should stay that way. Im just pointing out what this forum is all about and as ive been kicking around here since it first started i do feel ive got a grip on what its about. Sure things change but its up to mr picks to make the final decisions as hes the one who is so kindly allowing us to exist as lockpicking101.
Sure argue your points but flames shouldnt be involved in the discussion and at the end of the day trying to force policy change on 101 may backfire as the threads get locked or moved.

Come on guys we all share a common interest in picking locks but we all know of other ways to open them, but at the end of the day this is lockpicking101.

by **Dimmy Locks** » 23 Oct 2005 4:47

toomush2drink wrote:Read the url again, its lockpicking101 not lock bypass 101.

I humbly bow down to the site mod concerning picking over N/D in general, and as such will restrict my own posts here to purely picking topics. Could you possibly be kind enough to clarify 1 point for me please, can I discussing raking here, or only methods using my pick?

Yes a little sarcastic, but made with the best intentions I assure you, for I class picking within the realms of N/D. Now If we are to be restricted to only picking, which raking is not .........blah blah blah blah.

and here I was considering applying for access to the Advanced Boards so as to share my career experiences and knowledge as a vehicle locksmith, sadly, I along with the vast majority of modern working locksmiths rarely use picking these days, so not much of my knowledge will be of benifit on those boards either.

by **Dimmy Locks** » 23 Oct 2005 4:54

Dimmy Locks wrote: I along with the vast majority of modern working locksmiths.

Correction to previous post, please read as "I along with the vast majority of modern working VEHICLE locksmiths"

by **Chrispy** » 23 Oct 2005 5:06

Every little bit helps Dimmy. Even if it's not relevant to todays modernisation, there are still old cars out there. Plus, it might be relevant to something else.

by **toomush2drink** » 23 Oct 2005 8:58

LOL at diimys sarcasm and no offence taken its just over time we have had these types of discussion over and over again. Yes you can use your rake if you feel the need and it is after classed as a lock pick. :wink:

Bypassing is talked about in the advanced sections as its away from the public eye so if you get in you can join in the topics. As you know the car trade is very secretive especially in this country so keep an open mind to some of the points raised in this and please dont see it as a dig, its not what im trying to do.
Enjoy your time here and contribute as you are and you should get into the advanced sections if you apply.

by **devildog** » 23 Oct 2005 12:27

I'm not really arguing that bumpkeys don't meet the criteria for being an adv. forums topic: they definately DO. BUT the problem is that you can't fix now what you DIDN'T do earlier when you had the chance. Read my previous post (the really long one :roll:

) and you'll see all the problems that would be encountered in trying to move it to the adv. forums. It DOES belong in the adv. forums, but it is NOT worth all the trouble it would cause to move it there, therefore it SHOULDN'T be done.

by **digital_blue** » 23 Oct 2005 13:36

I really think you over-estimate how much trouble it would be devildog. I could probably get the job done in about an hour. But that really misses the point. The question that was posed was whether we should have a deticated forum for Bumping. Somehow it turned into a debate about whether the info should be restricted.

To address the original question, I would tend to say that I would not personally be in favour of a Bumping forum. If the admins added a new forum everytime somone asked or for every topic de jour we'd have a messy site with a lot of pretty dead forums.

To address the question of whether bumping should be an advanced topic, is there anyone that actually wants that to happen? I'd say leave well enough alone.

Remember, though, that discussion of high security locks and techniques to open them is still largely reserved for the advanced forums. I know that the mod team in general has been pretty easy-going on the topic of bumping discussion. I feel ok with it myself. Though I do feel it represents a significant risk to some high security locks, I think that the practicality of average Joe criminal obtaining keys/keyblanks/bump keys for the high security keyways makes this less likely to develop into a serious problem.

I suppose it's a bit like picking. It takes time and patience to learn, and in the end, there is probably an easier way for the run of the mill criminal.

But that's just my opinion.

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