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need a little help please

Having read the FAQ's you are still unfulfilled and seek more enlightenment, so post your general lock picking questions here.
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need a little help please

Postby paradigm67 » 4 Feb 2006 13:46

Hello, I'm a new member and find this site to be a wealth of information, thanks for having me. (Sorry for the long post) I picked up lock picking as a hobby and got addicted immediatly. I picked my first lock about 2 weeks ago. A master #3, to my disappointment I now realize that it was a 12345 pin setting and could be picked by raking very easily. So I picked up a couple different padlocks and I'm trying them now.

My question is I have read a few guides on lock picking and many of them say "find the hardest pin to pick" and start there. What does that mean? I have a cheap fortress lock and can get 3 pins in a few seconds but I cannot get more then 3 pins raking so I then tried to pick it. This is where my question comes in. If I apply a decent amount of tension I can find the pin that requires the most force/hardest one to set. Therefore I will release a little tension and pick that pin. I repeat this process over and over until I get to pin 4 then I just get stuck. However, if I use a little tension and I rake or pick with little tension 3 different pins get set. Compared to finding the hardest one and backing off some tension and repeating that process again. My question is which way is the best way to do it since I get 3 different pins setting each way and by hardest do they mean most difficult or requires the most force?

Thank you for your time in reading my post.
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Postby Woofcat » 4 Feb 2006 13:57

Have you read the MIT guide yet? They will be far better at explaining this then i will ever be able to.

http://www.capricorn.org/~akira/home/lo ... pter4.html

1. Apply a sheer force.
2. Find the pin that is binding the most.
3. Push that pin up until you feel it set at the sheer line.
4. Go to step 2.

Basicly find the one that require the most force to push up on but you don't need that much tension. Many people put way too much pressure. For instance when i started i bent one of my tension wrenches. I was very upset when i did that.
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Postby illusion » 4 Feb 2006 14:29

I finaly figured out why applying little tension against security pins never worked for me, when I made an Iseo cuttaway last night... it turns out what I considered "normal" tension is in fact "light" tension... what I considered "light" tension wasn't eveb enough to hold the pins up..... I guess I'll stick to what I previously thought as "normal tension".

back on topic:

The pin which binds won't be much harder to lift than the others, but it will feel different... try to feel for this difference.... find it, lift, it, keep going until the resistance felt whilst lifting it dissappears.... if you were to have a cuttaway lock you would now see the top pin stuck in the lock housing and the bottom pin by it's self... the spring pushes down on the top pin which then pushes the bottom pin... if the top pin is trapped in the lock housing it can no longer push down so the bottom pin can be effortlessly lifted with the pick - this will help you to tell which pins are set in the lock... the ones which can be lifeted with no effort are set - the ones which feel springy when you lift them are not set.

If it becomes REALLY hard to lift the pins you are either:

1: applying too much tension, try using a little less

2: you have false-set a security pin, the plug will turn a few degrees when this happen and the pins will be hard to lift up.

Try to practice using different amounts of tension and find the one which works best for you :P
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Postby paradigm67 » 4 Feb 2006 15:31

Thanks for the responses. :D I did read the MIT guide but I think I need to practice the exercises a little more. That certainly would not hurt anything.

After a little more investigation I realized that when I was using a lot of tension and forcing the pins up I was setting both the top pin and the lower pin and the lower pin would never drop but the plug would turn and in turn I would think I got a pin set. So my conclusion is that I am definetly using too much tension otherwise the lower pin would not be jammed up. I will have to have a little more patience and be more in tune to the feeling of the pins.

Once again thanks for the responses.
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Postby Jason13 » 4 Feb 2006 18:31

Yes possable ive never really made the bottom pin go way pas shearline but thats oversetting When the bottom pin goes to far are even way pas the shearline so if your using a tension wrench use light tension incase it has spools are anything and then increase your tension if you dont get anywere so good luck


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