Schlage C Question

[funboy79015]

I believe this is the sticky you are looking for.

http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=10677

[WizzBang]

ah cool thanks very much
tinkering away, don't have all the tools availible just yet to correctly disassemble the lock, but will get them together shortly and try out that excersize. im not sure if this thing has anys ecurity pins in it or not, dont quite know the feel or what institutes something being a security pin. but im progressing along well and learning quickly

[WizzBang]

o man, I just picked it in reverse sort of, right now its unlocked, and I was just able to spin the plug and lock around completly, leaving it unlocked still, now im trying to turn it opposite to actually lock it hehe. but now I know better how it ought to feel, and I guess there isnt any security pins, or I just got very lucky. either way, im now officially hooked

[ep3o]

That is not a Schlage lock. There are quite a few manufacturers who use the Schlage C keyway since it happens to be one of the most common. That looks like a Falcon B series but it's more likely to be a Cal Garbage. Or a Garbage Grade 2.

Anyway, the reason your having more trouble is becuase that cylinder either has five or six pins. As opposed to the padlocks that have three our four? If that's a true classroom function you will also need to turn the cylinder 360 degrees to put the lock in passage mode. Be careful when you reassemble this lock. You can throw the timing off very easily.

Good luck.

[WizzBang]

but the paperwork onit and all, as the image shows, says it's a grade 1?
assembly wont be a problem, its never going to be put together

[vector40]

Actually, it says "Grade 1 Chassis"

[vector40]

Actually, it says "Grade 1 Chassis"

[Dartan]

Since we're on the subject of schlage locks, I have a question.

On kwikset locks the part of the keyway that I rest and rock the pick on to set pins is straight. On the schlage it's angled down and the pick just slides off. Do you just have to hold the pick and lift each pin then? I find I have much better control if I can rock the pick to lift the pins. Which may be why I'm having so much trouble with the schlage. Maybe if I practice on the kwikset with just lifting that'll help with the schalge.

Any suggestions??

Oh, and kind of off topic, what's the secret to raking a lock open?!?! For the life of me I can't rake any lock open. I've tried moving it in and out with tension, in and out with varying tension, rocking the rake, rocking it while moving...nothing seems to work. And which rake do you use? Do you pick the rake depending on which model lock it is? One other thing, the link to raking in the FAQ doesn't seem to be working.

Dave

[vector40]

You can try pivoting off the bottom of the keyway if you want. But yes, it's probaby a good idea to learn to lift without a lever action.

[Gordon Airporte]

On kwikset locks the part of the keyway that I rest and rock the pick on to set pins is straight. On the schlage it's angled down and the pick just slides off.

You might as well learn to pick without levering, but if you still want to lever you could use a deep curve pick. They're just arc-shaped with a rounded tip. Which arc to use is the only problem.

[WizzBang]

Since we're on the subject of schlage locks, I have a question.

On kwikset locks the part of the keyway that I rest and rock the pick on to set pins is straight. On the schlage it's angled down and the pick just slides off. Do you just have to hold the pick and lift each pin then? I find I have much better control if I can rock the pick to lift the pins. Which may be why I'm having so much trouble with the schlage. Maybe if I practice on the kwikset with just lifting that'll help with the schalge.

Any suggestions??

Oh, and kind of off topic, what's the secret to raking a lock open?!?! For the life of me I can't rake any lock open. I've tried moving it in and out with tension, in and out with varying tension, rocking the rake, rocking it while moving...nothing seems to work. And which rake do you use? Do you pick the rake depending on which model lock it is? One other thing, the link to raking in the FAQ doesn't seem to be working.

Dave

lol...way to highjack my thread man. I imagiune here, as on any other bbs or forum, that isn't particulary good "netiquette". Make a Thread titled sclahge such and such etc man, to go on and on about raking is far off the topic at hand lol...im really not an ass or trying to flame on ya, it's just I have had a very long day and shift at work, I come home always anxiously awaiting any tips or posts in this thread, and when I see 3 new replys ro so I get all excited, then I go to read them, and it may as well be chinese hehe. bump for the topic at hand. vector bro, so apparently the grade 1 chassis, does NOT mean that its a grade 1 lock huh? I only managed to pick it twice at home while its in my lap, we have I think the exact same lock at work on some doors, but the latch is like a fancy curve thing to it. I cannot for anything seem to pick it while it's actually moutned on a door, and it isn't due to position or just usual real world stuff, I can pull up a chair and work at it for an hour, and basically get nowhere hehe bump for thoughts, suggestions, random insults and the like

[WizzBang]

and I had typed out that I am not an a|s|s up ^^, not donkey LoL..

[vector40]

I guess so. That's something to look out for. I don't think they are technically forbidden from calling a lockset grade anything if they don't use the right specific language; so you see stuff with wording like "Grade 1-quality," which may mean nothing at all.

[Dartan]

Didn't mean to hijake your thread, sorry about that! I just happened to be working on my schlage and had problems with it so posted a reply on a schlage thread...and then started rambling

Dave