Need he;p with picking.

by **jeff_15** » 28 Mar 2006 23:10

hey, im a beginner at lock picking and my practice lock is give me trouble, i can pick all the pins except for the first pin in the front, no matter how much tension i put on it it doesnt click, it never stays up. Ive tried everything, ive raked it, picked it, tried putting more tension, tried putting less tension but watever i do it never stays up.

Plzz help me.

by **LockNewbie21** » 28 Mar 2006 23:13

Well what kinda of lock is it? Also pick the pins in diffrent orders. If the front pin is not binding it means theres a diffrent pin some where else not binding. Or that pin is actually set and its a diffrent pin thats not set. Post a picture of the lock of what kind it is.

Andy

by **jeff_15** » 29 Mar 2006 15:38

^^^ well its a lockable door handle, and i have the key for it. your right about the pin not binding meaning another one is not binding, the one right behind it isnt binding either i just noticed that..

by **Jason13** » 29 Mar 2006 15:40

Tip: Dont Rely on clicks to help you pick, Feel!

by **pip** » 29 Mar 2006 17:07

well its a lockable door handle

is this lock on a door right now.....being used....daily

Tip: Don't mess with door locks you need to use everyday

by **Treeson** » 29 Mar 2006 19:41

Hey,

Going along with what Pip said, don't practice on a lock that is neccessary for daily use

Also, if it is a rather worn lock, you may find that the pin that is binding the most tends to be in the back of the lock. This is because when the key enters the lock, the frontmost pin (the one closest to you) is lifted a total of about 5 times (more if there are more pins) by the cuts on the key. This causes both wear on the cylinder that is containing the pin stack, the pin stack itself, and the spring. So, therotecially, the front pin on very used locks should never be the first to bind, it typically is the pin in the back of the lock as it is only lifted once as it is lifted to the sheer line.

Sorry if this is confusing, I would reccomend looking at this thread if you are still confused:
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=542

Please post if you don't understand this.

Cheers,

Treeson

by **EGOOT247** » 29 Mar 2006 20:14

So, when you pick, all your pins are in place except for the first one?
When you try to lift it to the sheer line, do any others "pop up?"

Could it be that you think you picked a different pin when it really isn't?

Door handle...Like the kind that might have a security pin?

I think it's one of two things, (but I'm not positive. I've finally aroused the courage to attempt to "diagnose" a picking problem...

).
I think it's either you aren't picking in the correct order, or
you might have thought you picked a pin when you haven't.

by **jeff_15** » 29 Mar 2006 23:34

ok well the door handle is not a everyday used door handle my dad had an extra door handle (new) and he put it in a block of wood for me to practice. And i have the key for the handle and the first pin is supposed to be up( i looked at the key) and it might be a saftey pin but when i out fether wait tension i still have the same problem.

by **pinsetter** » 6 Apr 2006 15:21

also a posibility that I didn't see mentioned is that the pin in question may be set in the lowest position and it would not bind and set if this is the case. So the pin may need to be left alone all together. Remember, some keyings require no lift on some pins!

by **MeisBarry** » 6 Apr 2006 16:16

jeff_15 wrote:it might be a saftey pin

That's security pin. If it is a security pin, and all of the pins are properly set with the exception of that one, the cylinder will probably turn a bit more than usual as the security pin binds (Search for: MIT Guide).

As a stretch, can the key unlock the door when turning in both directions? Or are you turning the wrong way? If it can turn both ways, you could always try it the other direction. A padlock I have can open both ways, and I find one direction easier than the other because the pins bind in a different order (See: MIT Guide again).

Another thing I always encounter (being a beginner as well) is falsly set pins. One of the other pins may have a false set. If so, you can try releasing the tension just a little bit until you hear a click or two, then go back in and continue picking.

One of these times you will get it. Opening a lock always feels like such an accomplishment.

by **Pic-king** » 12 Apr 2006 18:15

This is probably not relevant at all, but ill give it a go

i have the southord begineer set with the tension wrench, ball, diamond, hook pick and a rake, with the easy pickings manual.. .it says in their that some people fold some card, scribble up and down the crease (inside) with a pencil, then blow the 'dust' into the lock...it apparently lubricates the lock...it said not many people do it because they think that in lock picking, its cheating...

personally, i think picking etc. is cheating just as much because you're relying on an engineers tolerances to open it... picking works because pins aren't lined up perfectly etc.

by **LockNewbie21** » 12 Apr 2006 23:19

Well its not cheating, jsut a mix up of words. In form its considered an art of manipulation. Picking is more slang. Basically its not cheatly the lock its manipulating or taking advantage of defects in the lock, cheating is blowing it up or using a key, you more or less just using an alternative form for unlocking the door *turning the cylinder*. Cheating it self is not following the rules or breaking them. When picking a lock you are not breaking anyrules of opening a lock or making it work the way its supposed to, you are mearly bending them if you would say, or not at all just using an alternate method of opening the lock*raising the pins to the shear line without damage and not using a key but a pick or manipulation istrument to lifts the pins to the shear line as a key would. Cheating is like stealing the key and opening it. You are simply using the picks or manipulation instruments to minic the key buy raising the pins. Other than that the lock works as it should so its not cheating just a more educated technical way of simply using a lock properly without a key.

Andy

by **LockNewbie21** » 12 Apr 2006 23:22

Lol nice quote to is that from the matrix? Ahh morpheus, his as well as the wachowski bros ability to successfully use puns and and witty conflicting terms to confuse and utterly spellbind people into thinking its pure genious is notable, if only we as lock pickers could convince locks to open as hollywood and movies trick us into believing anyhting

Andy

Need he;p with picking.

Need he;p with picking.

Who is online