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Plug beginning to move slightly but then jams up?

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Plug beginning to move slightly but then jams up?

Postby Firebrand_NI » 14 May 2006 12:09

HI Guys,

Whilst trying to pic open a few ISEO PVC door cylinders the othe day, I only got the plug to move fractionaly, it did feel as if the plug was going to pick open but did'nt. I've tried a few methods and various different pikcs to try open the cylinders, but the same thing keeps happening.


Its kinda strange to explain, but imagine your picking a lock and you feel the plug beginning to move slightly as if its going to open, but then jams.


Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Bill
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Postby illusion » 14 May 2006 12:22

You have hit a security pin inside the lock. The Iseo 5 pin Euro profile locks have 3 spool pins inside.

To beat them either use less force to turn the plug and keep reducing it untill the spool pins stop catching, or use what is know as 'negative plug rotation' To do this pick the lock and let it turn a bit like you said, then keep it in that position. Insert your pick into the lock and feel for pins which feel totaly jammed - these are the spool pins that have hung up on the sheer line. Reduce tension a lot and press down on the closest pin which feels totaly jammed, and wait untill you feel it set straight and then target the other security pins to set those. When you press down on a security pin that has false-set you will feel the plug move counter-clockwise, this is normal and is because the spool pin because of it's shape is trying yo turn the plug back to the neutral position. Let the plug turn a bit but don't let it turn to much or the lock will reset.

Iseo are very easy to pick, and respond well to negative plug rotation.

Hope this helps. :)
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Postby jordyh » 14 May 2006 12:23

You're probably hitting a spool pin.
Try to use the search engine for spool pins, this forum is loaded with information about them.
Good luck picking.
They can be a challenge.

Yours,

Jordy
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Postby jordyh » 14 May 2006 12:23

Darn ben, you beat me to it.
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Postby illusion » 14 May 2006 12:25

Darn ben, you beat me to it.


I knew there was some reason I got out of bed this morning. :lol:
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Postby illusion » 14 May 2006 12:34

Sorry to double post, but this is getting me worried...

Firebrand_NI: You claim in your profile to be a 'locksmith' and yet you are unable to pick an Iseo lock, which is like dead-easy. How in the name of soddd do you open harder locks in your job then? do you drill them?

I actualy hope you're lying to be honest, since the alternative is that you have no skill and simply drill every lock that comes your way.
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Postby EvoRed » 14 May 2006 12:53

I'd be more concerned that a locksmith doesn't even know how a cylinder behaves to anti-pick pins!
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Postby Firebrand_NI » 14 May 2006 13:03

thanks for the replies guys, very much appreicatied.

I can open most Iseo locks by picking them, but for some reason there were a couple the other day which would only open once for me namely the ones i'm referred to in the above post, most locks I open on site are opened with bumping keys therefore picking them most of the time is not neccessary.

btw I'm only a Trainee locksmith
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Postby Firebrand_NI » 14 May 2006 14:03

Does the above technique work with Corbin PVC cylinders at all?
I know that bumping corbin locks is not very succsessful.

Must be something to do with the spring tolerances or something.


Thanks!
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Postby Shrub » 14 May 2006 14:10

It is not lock specific, this is one way to deal with security pins on any lock, another is to work out which pins are the security poins and then start picking again but this time lift those pins higher than normal then let them drop down to the shear line by carefully feathering the tension.
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Postby Firebrand_NI » 14 May 2006 14:20

Very much apprecited
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