impressioning with melted plastic?

[jetsetter883]

im somewhat of a newbie when it comes to picking/impressioning but i recently thought of what the odds might be of melting some plastic down, waiting a few seconds for it to harden ever so slightly and while it is still warm, shove it into the lock and wait a minute for it to dry, then use the solidified plastic which is impressed into the lock to open the door. i suppose having some untouched plastic at the end of whatever you are using could work as a makeshift handle. any possibility this could actually open a door? i am trying to think of some good plastic items that i could experiment with.

[Krypos]

so how are you into picking first of all? ya have one post. and you want to know about impressioning with melted plastic to essentially bypass a door (i assume)

so whats the story here?

also, fill out your profile to tell us where your from.

[helix]

It won't work.

[n2oah]

You'll have a nasty, gunked up lock. Try foil impressioning (i'll say no more)

[n2oah]

It could possibly work under extraordinary circumstances. You would need to put the melted plastic bar under the pins, then raise the handle up, which forces the pins up. The pins would be set at their shearlines, and the lock would open. You could have an open lock with a nice, clean impression of the pins on the plastic or you could (most likely) have a lock that is jammed full of melty plastic. Some locks, like the EVVA 3KS, have their pins (sliders with the 3KS, which impressioning is not possible on) coated in teflon to resist wear. I don't recall any pin tumbler locks that have teflon coatings, however.

[p1ckf1sh]

I once tried something kinda like this. It was a hybrid of foil imp and using little amounts of hot glue to make the foil impression more durable. Tiny slices of hotg glue would sit in the foil comb cuts, wrapped up in the foil. The foil impression worked, once the lock was turned a bit and the plug pins stationary I heated up the foil comb to transfer heat to hot glue and make it set. Needless to say, the foil was torn during impression, the "setting" action melted the glue and made it flow out of the comb. The lock would be severly gunked.

I only could salvage it, because it was a training lock I made for the purpose of trying foil impression. Basically, I had dremeled out the keyway wards completely to give myself room to work in. This gave me the room I neede to scrape the glue out.

[Shrub]

In addition to the above faults i have a few resons of my own,

The plastic will hit the first pin and be scrapped off by it,

The plastic if managed to get inserted will stick up in the holes the pins are in,

The plastic if impressioned and let to go cold and it works etc you still wont be able to get the key out because the advantage foil impressioning has over hot then cooled plastic is that withdrawing the blade the pins can make their own lead in and out, by that i mean your not stuck on the low pins,

The plastic is a solid material, the pins have to push it somewhere but this compression has nowhere to go, at least in foil impressioning the foil can be squashed to nothing in the bottom of the blade,

Its a fair idea, but it wouldnt work,

Foil impressioning as in wrapping some cooking foil around a comb pick work much better, theres a gmini guide on how to do it written by our very own Digital Blue, its one of his first posts (or at least not long after he joined) so a bit of search fu on his posts or simply looking for the guide will yeild mu more interesting results

[jetsetter883]

so how are you into picking first of all? ya have one post. and you want to know about impressioning with melted plastic to essentially bypass a door (i assume)

so whats the story here?

also, fill out your profile to tell us where your from.

i'm into picking for the same reasons anyone else might be into picking.
and yes, i had one post before. thank you for noticing. how that relates to my question i do not know. as for where i am from, NJ.

[jetsetter883]

thanks for the replies guys. i'm going to look up foil impressioning to see what that's all about. as for my melted plastic idea, i think it would precisely matter at what point you inserted the warm plastic piece into the lock, for if it's too hot it will get gunky, if too solid then it would not be able to create a proper impression. it was just a thought, and i think im going to experiment with it sometime, since theoretically (at least) it should work.

[Varjeal]

Good luck, but I have severe reservations about the chances of melted plastic working. Please don't try it on any locks that use plastic housings like Weiser, Kwikset, etc.

[SFGOON]

"Plastic" is such a broad term.

I'm willing to bet that it would be possible to use a thin polymer strip to achieve this. This polymer would have to have a very specific set of properties (i.e. expandible, retains it's shape, etc.) but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work.

I'm starting work at a dotcom chemical distribution/sales company in a week, I might have a sit-down-chat with the polymer guy and see if there's anything out there that has the necessary properties.