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I want to disassemble a master lock

Having read the FAQ's you are still unfulfilled and seek more enlightenment, so post your general lock picking questions here.
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Postby Deathadder » 25 Jul 2006 23:07

i believe someone made a guide on disassembling padlocks and repinning and everything, they said to just drill/saw off the retaining pins and remove the cylinder i think, but correct me if im wrong.
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Postby sturmgrenadier » 26 Jul 2006 21:14

Thanks for explanation fellas. VillageKeyGuy, I don't know if I am ready to set all six of my box of these padlocks, but it would be neat to practice on one or two. DO you think that a local locksmith might sell one of these Master Up tools to a customer (no locksmith training) or are locksmiths pretty territorial about their gear (like they are with protecting their skills and techniques)? Put differently, if I walked into your store and asked you for one, what would you say?

My other question has to do with the keys. If I use the same keys that fit my other two boxes of no.1 locks to set my '5UP' lock, will the feel and order of the 'binding pins' be the same for both types of locks since they have the same key? Even though I haven't learned how to feel what is happening inside a lock, it would probably be advantaegous for me to have cylinders that are pinned differently so that I can't remember how to open them so easily. Does the same key fitting two locks make for identical picking experiences with them?
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Postby yng_pick » 26 Jul 2006 21:23

as far as the tool goes-

Although it does depend on the locksmith themselve- im sure if you went in and told them you purchase many of these padlocks and would like to purchase a tool to do it yourself, most would be willing to order one. i don't think they are cheap- i can look up the price on one tommorow at the shop.

as far as the picking- the pins will not neccesarily bind the same. chances are very high that they will not. so you would get practice with finding which bind by using these similar locks.

with the pins being the same though- you will be working with the same combination of high/low pins- so you will probably be used to working around that particular set up- which wont be what you run into on other locks.

so you may benefit from keying them different- but it also matters if you plan to use these locks for.. locking, lol. in that case you might want them all keyed alike, or you could always use the same two keys (tension and pick) to get into them :)

with using the tool- i dont think i mentioned that ideally, you will place the padlock upside down in a vise- with the lock closed (as it comes) with the shackle locked in the vise, the padlock body flush with the top fo the vise. after setting the key, you turn it to test it, and assuming a good set, it will pop up towards you (opened)
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Postby sturmgrenadier » 26 Jul 2006 21:46

THanks for info, Village Key Guy. Rats, though, from your description, I got the idea that this was a simple and therefore relatively cheap product. Do you think the high cost is the result of its being proprietary and that in terms of the raw material and tools needed, a makeshift one would be much cheaper? Do you carry any extra? If so, would you be willing to sell one and for how much? This set of locks is purely for my recreational purposes so I will probably key them differently if I can find other Master keys. Wouldn't that be ridiculous for me to walk into a locksmith store and ask, would you sell me any five different cut keys that fit master padlock no.1,etc.? Can you tell that I don't use many padlocks:) Thanks again. And in any case I would appreciate knowing the catalog price for this product.
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Postby Shrub » 26 Jul 2006 22:05

Deathadder wrote:i believe someone made a guide on disassembling padlocks and repinning and everything, they said to just drill/saw off the retaining pins and remove the cylinder i think, but correct me if im wrong.


It was illusion and the guide was somthing ike making a rekeyable tricircle padlock,

I will have a quick look for the link as i think it might be good to have it on here,
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Postby Shrub » 26 Jul 2006 22:07

Infact click my sig and its the 3rd link or somthing lol

Here is the link for it, im sure somthing simular can be done to other locks if the need so arises,
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Postby Deathadder » 27 Jul 2006 17:38

actually, i think there is another one that works with most other padlocks... ill see if i can find it.
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Postby Deathadder » 27 Jul 2006 17:44

http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=10589
found it... i think this is the one at least. :?
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Postby VashTSPD » 28 Jul 2006 1:35

thank you guys for the links :shock: it's helping a lot.
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