Bi Locks

by **illusion** » 20 May 2006 5:43

Well they have parallele sets of pins, and the key is shaped like a 'U' with biting on each side of the 'U'. There are dual sidebars, one for each row of pins. Each pin has a hole in it, that will allign to the sidebar when lifted to the correct height.

I've just parroted what Skold told me about these, but there was a thread I made, where breakdown photos were kindly submitted. Search and you'll find it. :wink:

I guess there are plenty of locks that follow the "Yes, it is possible. No you won't manage unless you devote some serious time learning how they work."

by **n2oah** » 20 May 2006 16:09

skold wrote:Easy? When you can build fiber optic cable from a window using only a knife, Then you will have your answer.

I will definetly use that metaphor in the future.

by **globallockytoo** » 26 Jul 2006 22:27

Whilst theoretically possible, I have seen it done once many years ago.

The current new generation product incorporates additional features to make it more difficult to manipulate with conventional picks.

The product is highly advanced in it simple design and offers companies a uniquely high-security option.

The company offers exclusive dealerships in USA so, first in best dressed.

The quick change core function and wide variety of supported products makes Bilock a winner with locksmiths.

As yet, no one has been able to demonstrate repetitively their ability to successfully pick a bilock cylinder.

by **yng_pick** » 26 Jul 2006 22:32

do they pins have to move into position (turning, along with the lifting) to recieve the sidebar- like a medeco,
or is it just based on the pins being the correct height to recieve the sidebar?

by **Deathadder** » 26 Jul 2006 22:36

dunno, but if you could make a hook pick with kind of a phillips screw head, wouldnt it be easier to manipulate the pins?

by **greyman** » 27 Jul 2006 3:14

globallockytoo wrote:Whilst theoretically possible, I have seen it done once many years ago.

The current new generation product incorporates additional features to make it more difficult to manipulate with conventional picks.

The product is highly advanced in it simple design and offers companies a uniquely high-security option.

The company offers exclusive dealerships in USA so, first in best dressed.

The quick change core function and wide variety of supported products makes Bilock a winner with locksmiths.

As yet, no one has been able to demonstrate repetitively their ability to successfully pick a bilock cylinder.

globallockytoo, you wouldn't be an authorised BiLock dealer would you? Or maybe even a rep for the Australian Lock Company? This info sounds suspiciously like marketing to me :wink:

For the record, BiLock's were rather easy to pick until they introduced anti-picking features. I agree that now they are very difficult to pick manually.

by **skold** » 27 Jul 2006 8:45

greyman wrote:
globallockytoo wrote:Whilst theoretically possible, I have seen it done once many years ago.

The current new generation product incorporates additional features to make it more difficult to manipulate with conventional picks.

The product is highly advanced in it simple design and offers companies a uniquely high-security option.

The company offers exclusive dealerships in USA so, first in best dressed.

The quick change core function and wide variety of supported products makes Bilock a winner with locksmiths.

As yet, no one has been able to demonstrate repetitively their ability to successfully pick a bilock cylinder.

globallockytoo, you wouldn't be an authorised BiLock dealer would you? Or maybe even a rep for the Australian Lock Company? This info sounds suspiciously like marketing to me

For the record, BiLock's were rather easy to pick until they introduced anti-picking features. I agree that now they are very difficult to pick manually.

Thats some real rep sounding speak to me!

by **globallockytoo** » 27 Jul 2006 11:37

greyman wrote:I agree that now they are very difficult to pick manually.

What do you mean manually? Is there an automatic picking method?

by **Omikron** » 27 Jul 2006 15:50

globallockytoo wrote:
greyman wrote:I agree that now they are very difficult to pick manually.

What do you mean manually? Is there an automatic picking method?

If there was, it wouldn't be discussed here in the open forums. Sorry. ;-)

by **TOWCH** » 27 Jul 2006 18:52

globallockytoo wrote:
greyman wrote:I agree that now they are very difficult to pick manually.

What do you mean manually? Is there an automatic picking method?

Rumor has it there is a fast NDE method of opening bilocks...

by **greyman** » 28 Jul 2006 5:21

What I meant was using hand held single picks and tensioner. I meant to exclude decoder/pick tools and sputniks etc, anything that lets you manipulate individual pins and keep others in set positions. With a decoder, you would only have to worry about the one false depth hole in each pin, whereas with picking manually, this could mean you have to restart at the start.

by **Raccoon** » 28 Jul 2006 6:09

Related question to this thread, but not specifically about bi-locks.

To what extent does this forum welcome discussion about lockpicking? I'm not sure where the defining line is between a "lock" and a "high security lock". Naturally, a high security lock should be harder to pick-- and so, a greater challenge, making it a perfect lock for discussion.

Is it to say that we're not allowed to pick Good Locks, and should remain content with Kwikset and Yale? I would think this forum advocate just the opposite, and try to discourage discussion about picking savagely easy locks which secure 90% of our homes. We should focus discussion on real locks that offer a real test of skill and commitment to hobby and locksport lockpicking. Wouldn't you agree?

by **TheMikeMan** » 28 Jul 2006 14:34

well said.

by **Omikron** » 28 Jul 2006 14:42

Raccoon wrote:Related question to this thread, but not specifically about bi-locks.

To what extent does this forum welcome discussion about lockpicking? I'm not sure where the defining line is between a "lock" and a "high security lock". Naturally, a high security lock should be harder to pick-- and so, a greater challenge, making it a perfect lock for discussion.

Is it to say that we're not allowed to pick Good Locks, and should remain content with Kwikset and Yale? I would think this forum advocate just the opposite, and try to discourage discussion about picking savagely easy locks which secure 90% of our homes. We should focus discussion on real locks that offer a real test of skill and commitment to hobby and locksport lockpicking. Wouldn't you agree?

Talk about beating a dead horse...

In a nutshell, there is no reason that beginners need to jump straight into picking or bypassing high security locks. These are generally locks that protect "Really Important Things", or RIT, for short. For all practical intents and purposes, most of new people joining the site are also new to the sport. In fact, that's why they're here. They need to master the basics first, and understand the values and goals of the locksport community. By the time they've done this, they would be able to apply to the advanced forums.

I don't see any problem at all with the current system in place, and this thread isn't the place for discussing it. I'm sure there are countless other threads about this topic if you search for it, and I'm sure many of them are locked.

by **Raccoon** » 30 Jul 2006 16:31

In short regard to "Really Important Things". My home is Really Important. One Billion Homes are Really Important. It is much harder to change the locks on One Billion Homes than it is for some bank to replace their triple redundant safety deposit box locks.

That's all.

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