Picking 4-Pin Master Padlock Help???

[some170]

My friend and I are trying to pick a 4 pin master lock to get into a room in his basement but have had no luck! We are using only homemade tools - a decent home made tension wrench and a paperclip. I know how tumbler locks work, and some techniques to open them! Shouldn't a 4 pin master lock be easy to open??

Looks like this but with a longer U http://www.aspli.com/prdimgs/026005.jpg

I tried raking the padlock (cause we just need to open it) but it seems like the pins never stick in place but maybe I do not understand locks correctly. Will the pointed pins always stay down or will they stay up when locked in place?? No matter if I rake it 10-15 times it wont open! Any tips because I am getting really frustrated!! Let me know what you guys think!

Message me on AIM at Enzo181 so I can get some help! Thanks guys!

[melvin2001]

1) welcome to the site. its always good to see people pick up the hobby (no pun intended)

2) if you need to get into the room bolt cutters work wonders and dont cost a lot... and neither do master locks so you really have no reason to not cut the thing off unless your trying to do something your not supposed to be doing and dont want to leave evidence.

3) paperclips are not picks... buy or make some real picks.

D) thermite is a good way for quick entry if you dont mind the smoke.

00000101) the pins you can see in the keyway should not stay up when you are picking the lock. if they do you have lifted the pins too far and they are blocking the sheer line.

6) the "U" is called the shackle

7)read the mit guide to lock picking

the most common problem for new pickers is too much tension.. try to back off on the pressure.

[Squelchtone]

My friend and I are trying to pick a 4 pin master lock to get into a room in his basement but have had no luck! We are using only homemade tools - a decent home made tension wrench and a paperclip. I know how tumbler locks work, and some techniques to open them! Shouldn't a 4 pin master lock be easy to open??

Looks like this but with a longer U http://www.aspli.com/prdimgs/026005.jpg

Oh man, you gotta start out on an easier lock.. I mean, wow, it takes ME about 15 minutes on a good day to get that kind to open, and I have expensive picks, much nicer than a paper clip.

More than likely you haven't read about the Groben-Nieprawdziwy method. But thats advanced so I cant discuss it here.

but yeah, don't let people fool you, everyone says, the Master No.3 is easy, but if thats the case, why does Consumer Reports list is as number 2 on their top security locks of 2005 list?

good luck man, better call a locksmith

Squelchtone

[melvin2001]

dude 15 minutes for a masterlock #3? you must be hard core! i have been working on mine all night but the superglue i used to keep the bottom pins down keeps blocking my picks!

[Krypos]

lol. im pretty sure squelchtone is just poopin that new guy.

i have a master no. 3 with the long shackle. (is that standard on no. 3?)

my key is all high low cut, and it can be difficult at times. bugged me as well, since everyone is all "get master no. 3, its so easy even a noob can do it!"

but it is pretty hard in reality. tension is the real key to picking the no. 3.

[Bud Wiser]

The #3's really are a mixed bag of nuts, just like Krypos said it's all about the hi-low key cuts. If it's cut pretty even across, it will be very easy to pick, some times all that is needed is to slip the pick in all the way and with out hardly any effort it pops open! But if there are greater variations of hi-lows, or all highs, it will be harder!

Raking should not be a problem in any case. Try a S rake, W rake, Sinewave rake, or even a large hook to rake out, all with light tension of course. The #3 is pretty easy to defeat by raking.

The masters 1,3 and 5 are fun to play with. If I had to open one in a real life situation I would just rake it.

[toufu]

1) welcome to the site. its always good to see people pick up the hobby (no pun intended)

2) if you need to get into the room bolt cutters work wonders and dont cost a lot... and neither do master locks so you really have no reason to not cut the thing off unless your trying to do something your not supposed to be doing and dont want to leave evidence.

3) paperclips are not picks... buy or make some real picks.

D) thermite is a good way for quick entry if you dont mind the smoke.

00000101) the pins you can see in the keyway should not stay up when you are picking the lock. if they do you have lifted the pins too far and they are blocking the sheer line.

6) the "U" is called the shackle

i would sooo go with option D but i have not a clue where to buy thermite

7)read the mit guide to lock picking

the most common problem for new pickers is too much tension.. try to back off on the pressure.

[toufu]

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strange, my post didnt show up? only the quote

well anyways...i would go with option D
but i have not a clue on where to get the goods

[Shrub]

This sounds like you are in the wrong here, sounds very dodgy,

Do not pick locks in use and do not pick locks that do not belong to you personally unless requested to do so by the owner,

We need a proper explanation here on the circumstances, if its just for practise and you have the keys then dont do it, if its not your building and you just want to see whats behind the door then i hope you get caught by the landlord,