Repinning: Major Foul Up

[stilte]

Bad news. I have the feeler gauge, and after trying for a few minutes, there's no way it'll work. Upon some examination, neither will guitar string work. The 2nd pin will always hit the roof and prevent the key from coming out.

Filing the pin down would work, and I would do it if i could, but there's no way to fit a file in there. Sandpapering it would do it if I had a year or so to spare.

In case you were interested, the pinning was 0-3-7.

It's either drill or use it as a display set to remind me of what not to do when taking a cylinder out of a lock.

On the bright side... I now have a homemade mini-knife... Sigh.

[burchlockkey]

Sound like drilling would be more educational and less humiliating than looking at it for the rest of your life. I say, "Drill it!"

[Romstar]

WOAH!

The objective of the guitar string is NOT to get the key out, but to get the plug out.

All you have to do is lift the drivers out of the plug, and then use the key to turn the plug and pull it out.

The guitar sting is just so you can get past the key and push the drivers into the bible. Basically you are picking the lock, but you just have to get the drivers back up over the plugs hear line.

That means you don't have to move pin 2 at all. Just lift the drivers out of 3, 4 and 5.

Get the guitar string.
Romstar

[burchlockkey]

WOAH!

The objective of the guitar string is NOT to get the key out, but to get the plug out.

All you have to do is lift the drivers out of the plug, and then use the key to turn the plug and pull it out.

The guitar sting is just so you can get past the key and push the drivers into the bible. Basically you are picking the lock, but you just have to get the drivers back up over the plugs hear line.

That means you don't have to move pin 2 at all. Just lift the drivers out of 3, 4 and 5.

Get the guitar string.
Romstar

But if the key is cut too high and the bottom pin is for a lower cut, i.e., key is a 2 cut and bottom pin is for an 8 cut, then there may not be enough room for both the driver and bottom pin to fit in the top of the chamber. And there would only be a shear line if both pins were forced into the top of the chamber.

Drill it. It will be good experience. You will learn something new.

[Romstar]

Do you guys pay attention?

He had pinned the lock for three pins. Top and bottom in 1, 2 and 3. That left 4 and 5 open.

When he was withdrawing the plug, he sneezed, and turned it upright. He had pin 1 past the cylinder, pin 2 under the lip, and pin three in the cylinder.

This means he has to lift drivers out of the plugs 5 and 4 positions, and pick position 3 in the plug. He doesn't have to lift position 2 as there is no driver in that position.

If he can get the string into the plug past the key, he can lift the drivers up past the shear line, and then pick position 3 with the wire. After that the plug will turn and he can remove it.

If he could get the shim stock in beside the key, he can get the wire in. After that its just a matter of lifting.

Romstar

[stilte]

Sorry krypos, i completely missed your post. Have you seen what an oval cylinder looks like? That's how the rest of the lock looks. There're no sliding strips, no access, no caps, just a thick wad of metal.

Romstar, got the idea, I know what you mean now. Yes that would work, can't wait to get the wire tomorrow.

[Romstar]

Good luck with this, you are going to do a lot of cursing and swearing while you are trying to lift those pins. Its hard to hold onto the wire.

When you cut your wire to length, leave enough on the other end to make a loop. This will be your "handle" it should give you a bit more control over the wire.

After that, its all about how you hold your mouth.

Romstar

[Krypos]

WOAH!

The objective of the guitar string is NOT to get the key out, but to get the plug out.

All you have to do is lift the drivers out of the plug, and then use the key to turn the plug and pull it out.

The guitar sting is just so you can get past the key and push the drivers into the bible. Basically you are picking the lock, but you just have to get the drivers back up over the plugs hear line.

That means you don't have to move pin 2 at all. Just lift the drivers out of 3, 4 and 5.

Get the guitar string.
Romstar

But if the key is cut too high and the bottom pin is for a lower cut, i.e., key is a 2 cut and bottom pin is for an 8 cut, then there may not be enough room for both the driver and bottom pin to fit in the top of the chamber. And there would only be a shear line if both pins were forced into the top of the chamber.

Drill it. It will be good experience. You will learn something new.

slow down. you seem to drill happy. before drilling a lock, the majority of us like to exercise <every> other option first. you seem like a locksmith by trade, so id just like to remind you that we are hobbyist. we like to try and figure these things out and learn. otherwise we'd just drill every new lock that gave us trouble. (and where the fun in that?!)

[stilte]

My apologies to everyone who's tried to help out, and especially Romstar.

This weekend, I got a little carried away shopping with some friends and relatives and forgot about the guitar wire. I haven't bought it yet. Will do it when possible.