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Picking #0 and 7 Pins

Having read the FAQ's you are still unfulfilled and seek more enlightenment, so post your general lock picking questions here.
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Postby Schuyler » 1 Dec 2006 1:55

YOU ARE RUINING STRAY'S BIRTHDAY!

*joins stray muttering, "it'll be ok, baby, it'll be ok, just shhhhh just shhhhhh"*
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Postby Romstar » 1 Dec 2006 2:12

Stray wrote:Everyone stop arguing...

You do realize the topic of this thread isn't bash eachother until others tell you all to stop...

Until then I'm going to go sit in the corner.


**gets up goes and sits down in the corner, covers ears, starts rocking, then crying and repeats over and over again "mommy and daddy are yelling, stop yelling" **


I'm not sure if I should be amused or worried.

Sorry about that Stray.
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Postby Stray » 1 Dec 2006 2:24

"Never apologise your friends don't need it and your enemies wont believe you anyways" -dont remember the person's name who said it

Either way y'alls time is better spent teaching the rest of us chumps things than arguing with eachother.
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Postby Krypos » 1 Dec 2006 2:24

for anyone with any more questions regarding romstars health problem, please refer to the following link:

viewtopic.php?t=15317&highlight=health

i have nothing against rom. and i understand what his thinking is. and agree.

so......

rom wins. :P
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Postby lunchb0x » 1 Dec 2006 4:23

thanks for that lockjaw, i might order a set and try them out.. and your right with the 120 padlock, the picks wont fit unless you grind them down, but something that small i would normally cut off and replace, but most of what i do is on a C4 profile(lockwood,lane ) but i wouldent mind some better picks
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Postby lockjaw » 2 Dec 2006 23:52

This is my last post on the matter.

Not only do I know my "stuff" as you so euphemistically put it, but I spent a number of years going places and doing things on behalf of others to learn that "stuff".

I can't even begin to tell you about the things I have seen, or done. Some of them I don't even think I am allowed to talk about.


You appear to have a masochistic streak. This sort of remark is almost begging to be slapped down.

Surely you don't expect me (or anyone else for that matter) to acquiescence on the basis of your bragging? Are you asking me to defer to you on the basis of merely a claim to authority?

A temeprate response would be to ask me to take your posts on their own merit and make conclusions about expertise on that basis. Instead you've decided to assert your putative authority. This is a major incongruity. Has the Emperor no clothes?

As for Mr. Tobias's "stuff" I respect the man greatly. However, I did not learn any of my job or my work from Mr. Tobias.


Fixing PCs? (http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/view_profile.php?userid=268241)

Nothing about what I put here is vague, and I am one of the first people to help beginners. You would see that if you tookk the time to read the material I have posted.


Yes, it is vague and imprecise. As technical instruction it is severely lacking. Regarding beginners, perhaps empathy would have been a better choice of word. You appear to have no capacity to empathise with a beginner and present instruction appropriately. I have read much of what you have posted and the bulk is banal yet there is a self-importance attached to your posts that isn't commensurate with the quality of the content. Your recourse when critcised is to make references to your allegedly illustrious CV. The subtext of your polemical posts that you present in your defense is nothing more than an appeal to (putative) authority: "I'm right because my CV would suggest so" is your modus operandi and rationale. That is an informal logical fallacy.

Yes, I had a helth problem, and quite simply the people I thought would take care of my business did not in fact do as they were asked.

I believe I have one outstanding issue that needs to be remedied. I didn't screw up. You don't take responsibility for having a heart attack, you simply deal with it and try to move on.


This position doesn't do anything for you. In fact it begs a number of serious questions. Surely, as a self-proclaimed security expert you appreciate the notions of contingency and risk and know how to manage them. So where was your Business Continuity Plan? Where were your basic commercial information handling procedures? How can you possibly lose track of your creditors?

I don't know of any security expert in any domain that would offer "[y]ou don't take responsibility for having a heart attack". That would be like a system admin. telling the IT manager that he can't take any responsibility for the data loss that was due to the blackout. A system admin. can't prevent black-outs but (s)he can plan for that contingency so that if the contingency eventuates the damage to the business is minimal. Risk analysis and management are cornerstones of security engineering and management. Where was yours?

I do take responsibility for what happened as a result of that attack, and I have absolutely nothing to hide.


You are making excuses for yourself and your rhetoric falls way short of your reality. How can you reconcile the huge incongruity between your claimed security expertise and your apparent inability to analyse and manage risk in your own life?

What is vile and reprehensible here is that all of this is perfectly out in the open, and yet you feel the need to drag it out again and personally attack me or my activites at every opportunity.


This victim posturing is most unbecoming. It isn't out in the open. You've put a logically incoherent spin on an event that puts your probity and integrity in question. Your "legend" has cracks in it and you should have anticipated that someone would eventually call you out on your orgy of story telling.

If pickmonger felt the need to defend me, or say something on my behalf, I take that as a gesture of friendship, and an indication that he values my contributions here.


You don't need friends that "piss in your pocket" -- they prevent self-improvement.

Oh, and for your information, Marc Webber Tobias is a lawyer. He knows his stuff by virtue of study and close contact with a number of his contributors.


I know he's a lawyer. So what? He's not just a lawyer. He's a member of just about every security, forensics and criminalistics organisation in Europe and North America.

Are you suggesting that Mr Tobias has no practical experience and that his knowledge is inferior because he acquired it from others? Are you suggesting that all of your (claimed) knowledge was developed from first principles ab initio. You're bordering on unintentional self-parody.

He wrote a book. From what I understand the first edition wasn't received that well. If Mr. Tobias feels that is incorrect, I stand perfectly ready to be corrected by the man himself.


If he just wrote a book given the scope and detail of LSS that would be a great accomplishment. Mr Tobias has done much more than merely write a book. He has written The Book and he has conributed immensely to the field of security engineering and forensics through his consulting activities, discussion papers, seminars, lectures and court appearences.

I on the other hand fave the benefit of over 20 years of practical in the field experience using, building and designing lock tools and other devices. A number of those years spent in the service of my country.


So you started designing lock tools when you were 12 years old? Please, are you serious? Are you suggesting that Mr Tobias has less practical experience than you? Mr Tobias has designed numerous bypass tools and holds numerous patents. He's also a brilliant lockpicker.

That you are even comparing yourself to Marc Weber Tobias is risible. Are you playing with a full deck?

Oh, and as for Pickmonger, I do believe he was quite generous with his comments previously as well.


I'm sure you'd accept anythng that was thrown at you.

You seem quite willing and ready to come after me. Did I kill somebody you knew?


There are holes in your "legend". I think you have been BSing this forum and you continue to do so. I wouldn't care so much if you weren't using this forum to sell your goods. I don't have any objections to using the WWW for role playing and fantasy -- whatever toots your whistle. But if you're relaunching yourself as a merchant on a forum that you previously exploited and are using legend and mystique to promote your commercial ventures then pointing out you BS is well within my rights.
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Postby melvin2001 » 3 Dec 2006 0:16

dude lockjaw... take a pill man. you have like 25 posts... no one wants to hear you whine about what you think you know. romstar has been helpful to me personally and im sure a ton of others would agree. everyone jacks something up once in awile and as far as i know romstar had a terrible health problem, and until i am proven otherwise thats what im going to believe. thats my personal choice.

I for one will be looking forward to any products romstar wishes to bring to market... if you dont want to, then just move along. no one cares what you think any more then you care what i think... so seriously dude... hop off it...
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Postby Stray » 3 Dec 2006 1:15

Rom I told you getting intimate with his sister was a bad idea, now he's out to get you.


can we just lock this thread if the question has been answered?

also . addressing health issues comes first in my books. once my health is at stake, everything else can work itself out later...
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Postby Romstar » 3 Dec 2006 6:30

Did anybody wonder why he felt the need to Google me and come up with my SETI entry? Does this seem just a little too obsesive, or personal?

The one thing I DON'T have to do is deal with wankers like that.

I wonder though, why lockjaw feels such a need to come after me personally, and attack just about everything I have done.

Yes, I worked for a long time repairing computers. I am DOC, CTC and ANSI certified for board level repairs using a variety of techniques. It was the field my grandfather thought was best, and I really enjoyed it.

I hold diplomas in basic, advanced and digital electronics. I studied law for two years when I suddenly lost any real passion for it.

I served with DISO (Aircom) for several years, and in part with what would later become the Special Operations Force Command.

During my service I had the opportunity to use the skills I had learned from my grandfather, as well as greatly expand my knowledge in areas where I had previously been deficient.

I have worked with both CSIS and the RCMP on numerous occasions and in several capacities. I hold a class 3 manufactuing permit required for the production of special equipment and materials for the Canadian Government.

Oh, and I might add that Lockjaw was the one who mentioned Mr. Tobias when his little tirade began. I don't think I consider myself his equal, but then again I haven't met him either. I'm told he's a great person, but other than that, I don't know. I have no idea what his practical experience is. I have some passing knowledge of his book, and some of his materials and based upon that, and the excellent reviews by numerous people I am lead to believe that Mr. Tobias is indeed very good in the security field.

I've been working in security in one form or another for most of my life. You can prattle on about risk management, and any other number of things you wish concerning my illness and the consequences resulting from it. It happened, persons I had trusted to take care of my business were unable to manage it.

Oh, and yes I was designing tools at 12. I was working with my grandfather, doing locksmithing before I was even that old. I tore down, and rebuilt my first engine when I was 10. In 1979 my grandfather and I built a MITS Altair, my first computer. My first toys were tools, not blocks. Screw drivers, pliers, soldering irons, wrenches and everything else under the sun.

I believe I was 6 when I started learning a lot of this, and I have never stopped.

Buckwheat, do yourself a favor and give up. You aren't going to win anything, because there is nothing to win.

I'm not bullshitting anyone. That's the point. Everything has always been out in the open. When I started here, I wasn't sure what sort of group I would be running into, so I simply kept some stuff to myself.

I've discovered that with a few exceptions, this has been an amazing community of people.

I have been married twice, I have four kids, and I quite simply haven't the time for role playing. I am just the way I am.

Oh, and as for my teaching, there are far more people out there who will attest to my abilities in that role then will detract from it as you have.

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Postby melvin2001 » 3 Dec 2006 14:54

well rom if you ever need it im sure raccoon will come cuddle you
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Postby Raccoon » 3 Dec 2006 15:00

o__O

so, about picking pins #0 and 7 pins...?
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Postby Deathadder » 4 Dec 2006 2:36

yeah, im gonna have to go with racoon on this one




*crawls to the corner with stray :shock: :cry: *
It's ok guys, i have a really bad attention sp-wow look, a beach!
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