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lock idea to impede picking

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Postby Father Time » 20 Dec 2006 11:04

Behold one of the most popular physics toys of all time. It's been redesigned over the years, but the principle remains the same.

They're a real hoot to see in person.

http://www.levitron.com/



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Postby Deathadder » 20 Dec 2006 12:54

for my science project last year, (9th grade) I conducted three experiments levitating magnets. The first was with diamagnetic graphite, a small cube of gold plated NdFeB, and a larger nickel plated magnet to lift it. The second was the gyroscopically stabilized effect, similar to the levitron. My third (and most fun) was the liquid nitrogen superconducting ceramic. I submerged the superconducting ceramic in liquid nitrogen (got it at the hospital, used for removing warts) then placed a small NeFeB magnet over it. The magnet induced a current in the ceramic, which has no electrical resistance, which in turn made an electromagnet out of the ceramic, thus pushing up the neodium magnet.

Needless to say, I won first prize :D

As for the magnets in the lock, the only magnets strong enough would be neodium-iron-boron earth magnets, but those are so brittle, they would likely break if anyone tried to bump it or rap it with a hammer
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Postby Father Time » 20 Dec 2006 14:58

Good for you!

I used to win most of the science fairs when I was in school. However, growing up in a small Alabama town in the 60's and 70's, I didn't have access to such exotic materials.

I did manage to levitate a styrofoam bead between two charged metal plates.

Another project winner was a flame loudspeaker. You seed a blowtorch flame with certain salts to make it conductive. Then you put two electrodes in the flame that are hooked up to a high power amplifier. The flame will actually produce a decent sound.

I should have taken physics in school, but I'm a mathmatical idiot. Learned physics on my own, as I have alot of things.

God helps those who help themselves.

Good luck to you.



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Postby Grudge » 20 Dec 2006 15:54

Father Time wrote:Another project winner was a flame loudspeaker. You seed a blowtorch flame with certain salts to make it conductive. Then you put two electrodes in the flame that are hooked up to a high power amplifier. The flame will actually produce a decent sound.

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Postby Nicky the Greek » 20 Dec 2006 16:56

Holy crap you guys are are like wicked smart. I mean like scary smart. You know what my science project was, I built a flashlight. umm yeah so laf if you want but um yeah. Im a retard compared to you guys.
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Postby Grudge » 20 Dec 2006 17:07

Nicky the Greek wrote:Holy crap you guys are are like wicked smart. I mean like scary smart.

Hey, I find just about everyone has something they excel at. It usually depends on what interests them. On everything else, we all struggle a bit.

So my rule of thumb is, you can pretty much be good at anything you want, you just can't be good at everything you may want. Make a choice, make the effort and it will usually come.
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Postby greyman » 20 Dec 2006 18:55

This idea may not be as crazy as it sounds :)

If you had small magnets on the end of the drivers, you could use them to trigger a magnetic sensor to detect if the pins were being overlifted during a picking attempt (or bump key attack). The sensor could trigger some other action like an alarm or maybe actuate some blocking mechanism. I don't believe this has been done before, but now the idea is out in the open, it's too late to apply for a patent! :(
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Postby Father Time » 20 Dec 2006 19:14

Nicky the Greek wrote:Holy crap you guys are are like wicked smart. I mean like scary smart. You know what my science project was, I built a flashlight. umm yeah so laf if you want but um yeah. Im a retard compared to you guys.


I don't believe in cursing a flower that has not yet opened.

You have an interest in picking locks. The greatest pleasure comes from an opened mind, picked open by possiblities yet undreamed.





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Postby Deathadder » 21 Dec 2006 1:01

greyman wrote:This idea may not be as crazy as it sounds :)

If you had small magnets on the end of the drivers, you could use them to trigger a magnetic sensor to detect if the pins were being overlifted during a picking attempt (or bump key attack). The sensor could trigger some other action like an alarm or maybe actuate some blocking mechanism. I don't believe this has been done before, but now the idea is out in the open, it's too late to apply for a patent! :(


GREAT!!! Now I can have the police called on me every time I put the wrong key in!!!!





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Postby d_goldsmith » 23 Dec 2006 17:50

Sorry about the late post on this, just catching up on the threads. This wouldn't work because if you had a shallower cut at the tip of the key it would push the deeper cuts up to high.
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Postby d_goldsmith » 23 Dec 2006 17:51

Not to mention that fact that pushing a key in fast, probably causes some bumping effect. Even really slowly putting it in though, the shallow cut at the tip would cause an issue.
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