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by mh » 22 Dec 2006 18:52
Raccoon wrote:I wonder where you can buy a Schrödinger Safe... Excellent for defeating cat burglars. 
I can believe though that none of these safes was reported to be compromised yet - there are 1) probably not many of them in existence and 2) people who own these are probably very secretive about it.
"The techs discovered that German locks were particularly difficult" - Robert Wallace, H. Keith Melton w. Henry R. Schlesinger, Spycraft: The secret history of the CIA's spytechs from communism to Al-Qaeda (New York: Dutton, 2008), p. 210
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by xxgonzoxx » 22 Dec 2006 19:19
Stockington should donate one to LP101 to prove that it's inpenetratable.
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by pickeyless » 23 Dec 2006 13:07
I'm sure that given an hour with my plasma cutter anyone could get into the safe. Plasma machines cut steel, copper, brass, stainless, and just about any other metal out there. 
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by pauly003 » 23 Dec 2006 13:07
I like your idea gonzo  I am guessing that at a price of $22,000 usd this safe would be considered very high quality. Have any professional locksmiths/safetechs ever come accross one of these??
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by Stray » 23 Dec 2006 19:08
I would have lots of fun testing it me-thinks...
Anyone willing to give(emphasis on "give") me either that safe or a 1x1 foot piece of that copper?
... anyone?
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by TOWCH » 24 Dec 2006 4:22
Checked it out. I think the claim was no successful breakins.
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by Krypos » 24 Dec 2006 23:33
shrodingers cat thing, isnt that the theory that if you put a cat in a box and sealed it in, then the cat would be both dead and alive at the same time, but you will never know if it is or isnt because once you open the box, then it is alive again?
or something completely off the wall like that.
and yes, if thats it, then i too got it.
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by nezumi » 25 Dec 2006 0:10
Krypos wrote:shrodingers cat thing, isnt that the theory that if you put a cat in a box and sealed it in, then the cat would be both dead and alive at the same time, but you will never know if it is or isnt because once you open the box, then it is alive again?
or something completely off the wall like that.
and yes, if thats it, then i too got it.
It has to do with the half-life of radiation, I believe. You put a cat in a box that it shares with a ampule of poison connected to a geiger counter and a tiny piece of a radiactive material. When the radioactive material ceases to be radioactive, the geiger counter reads that and releases the poison. The cat, having nine lives, immediately dies and comes back to life (no, that's not really true). Schrodinger's experiment was intended to show how silly the current understanding of half-life and quantum physics is because they understood that the radioactive material would have no value until tested or somesuch, and thusly the no-value radioactive material would both trip and not trip the geiger counter, resulting in a cat who is both dead and alive (or something like that).
While his was a sharp joke, it wasn't nearly as witty as Racoon's.
Back on topic, I rather suspect that anyone paying $22k for a safe like that (in other words, too much to be a 'conventional' safe and too little to be a bank safe) will likely find that the weakest link is not the equipment, but the human element. Hence, smart crooks won't bother trying to drill, burnt or crack the safe when other methods are available. Alternatively, Store A uses a $22k safe and Store B uses a $2k safe, so smart robbers just don't bother when there are easier pickings elsewhere (although that would prove how effective the safe is).
That, or the safe didn't sell especially well and so there aren't enough out there for it to have been broken into, just by chance.
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by Raccoon » 25 Dec 2006 2:06
I didn't read any of the specifics of the safe, but does it have a time delay? You mentioned human element, and that's spot on. A lead despensing pistol is cheaper than a plasma cutter any day, and works quite effectively on the person who holds the combination.
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by pauly003 » 29 Dec 2006 15:18
I think that a time delay is an option that is available.
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by mh » 29 Dec 2006 16:00
It has an electronic lock, of course you could activate a time delay option and/or the duress feature. The lock has a text display, so programming should be easy.
These safes are not for shops, though - they are designed for homes where anything else would look like an ordinary filing cabinet - and you wouldn't want an ordinary filing cabinet next to your Picasso, would you...
The high price is being paid because of the exclusive paint, interior, and the feeling of luxury, not so much for anti-burglary features.
That said, I still would want to have one to accompany my other filing cabinets...
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P.S.: I saw one of these on another TV program, where one of these exclusive interior designers picked a Stockinger safe for one of his clients. They brought the safe into the house, didn't bother to fix it to the floor or wall; however they did take care not to scratch the special blue paint... The default combo was 10203040; I wonder how many owners change that.
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