Easy / Hard Pinning configurations

[vrocco]

Could someone post a few pinning combinations that would be considered easy/ medium/ hard for a kwikset or schalge deadbolt?

For example: I think 17171 would be a hard one. I am doing some repining with new pickers and want to give them some combos to change to as their skills increase.

Thanks!

[vrocco]

Oops....well to halfway answer my own question, I found the thread where zeke was selling some pinning kits:

Schlage 6 pin:

Easy: 334241
Mid: 362593
Hard: 395692
X-Hard: 292707
XX-Hard: 918091

Schlage 5 pin:

Easy: 33424
Mid: 36259
Hard: 39569
X-Hard: 29270
XX-Hard: 91809

Kwikset 5 pin:

Easy: 44563
Mid: 14625
Hard: 52726
X-Hard: 52737
XX-Hard: 37373

If anyone can recommend more, great. I guess they should stay within MACS (as my example in my first post did not).

[heelflip_kid]

What do these numbers mean? Do they correspond to the height of the pin to the shear line? I am fairly new and don't quite understand the terminology. Thanks

~Eric

[TigerDragon]

What do these numbers mean? Do they correspond to the height of the pin to the shear line? I am fairly new and don't quite understand the terminology. Thanks

~Eric

The number is how deep the cut in the key is. The higher the number, the deeper the cut (with 9 being the deepest cut). This means a "9" pin would be longer than a "3" pin because 3 is a shallower cut in the key so the pin must be shorter.

[heelflip_kid]

Awesome. That makes perfect sense.

[Afisch]

Just to add to that, some locks have a MACS (maximum adjacent cut specification) meaning that one pin hight must be within a certain number of another for a key to be operable. For example on a Shlange I belive the MACS to be 6, meaning that a key cannot have a 9 pin next to a 2 pin, but could have --962 for example.

[gotta]

For Schlage the MACS is 7. In most consumer sold Schlage locks, you'll never get a pin length shorter than a 3. That way the factory doesn't have to worry about violating the MACS. I have seen shorter pins, but were most likely part of a keyed alike lot sold in box pack versus the more common vis' packs.

[dougfarre]

Zeke, could you recommend any more configurations?

[Eyes_Only]

You can add some spool and serrated drivers in the mix to make things more interesting too.