Need Info on Infrared or Pickproof Locks

[plot]

I would definatley look at something with a restricted keyway that keys can only be cut with authorisation. I for one would think of a mortice lock like a chubb etc like we use over here in the uk as its unlikley us thieves would know as much about picking these also access to the tools would make it a little harder. As mentioned before look at reinforcing the door with plates and hinge bolts etc. There are now some new locks hitting the market that require a key fob to be used to gain entry and these also can be logged so you know when entry was gained, swipe cards could do this also but they are not fool proof. At the end of the day if they want to get in they will but by thinking outside of the box as they say you can slow this down. Try not to think of mainstream products as a quick search around this forum shows up a lot of information on them which thieves could use too with the right thinking. What about a cloaksmoke device, this works by flooding the entire area with thick dense smoke so they cannot see a thing let alone steal anything.This keeps on pumping out smoke even if they try to clear it with a fan, it is that dense i have heard of thieves being unable to find there way out of the room they broke in

Medeco would be a good bet, seeing as only authorized Medeco dealers can duplicate a key.

Problem with medeco is that they are so widely popular... that you can buy the keyblanks on eBay. Becuase of this, I wouldn't call it a very secure key control system... sure it wouldn't be easy, but a theif could duplicate the key without to many problems.

i would go with something like the shlage primus, or if there's a mul-t-lock dealer in your area, definatly hit them up.... as nobody will be able to duplicate a mul-t-lock key probably. Also, most USA pickers probably have little to no experience with them.

As for the computer problem, more effective ways would be:
a) setting up a central server that soley contains all databases, leaving no patient identities in the actual office. Put the server in a very secure closet or something and you are all set.
b) Encrypting the data, so if it is stolen, it's useless unless it's an inside job.

Also, if you do either of the above, please make sure you are taking your backup disks to a safety deposit box or something...

[Chucklz]

I wouldn't bother with biometrics on computers, at least not currently. I wont say how, but for the most part defeating consumer and many professional grade fingerprint devices is a trivial matter. (Not to mention the fact that you can often just access the data once you have removed the harddrive)

Tear gas/smoke-- probably a no go in the US. Check lifesafety laws by you.

[toomush2drink]

The smoke is totally non lethal/harmful ,it just takes away all visibilty.
There was another system about but not sure if its still out there now which is similar but it works by letting out a fine mist. This mist is almost undetectable and is a chemical dye of which the building using it has its own unique colour. The dye only shows up under a special light (uv maybe ?) so the victim doesnt know they are covered in it. Also as most thieves are sweating when doing the job they dont notice it hitting their skin. This stuff stays on for weeks or until removed with another chemical so increasing the chances of catching the crook. This system was designed specially for this type of crime as it doesnt damage the computers.

I too use a removable hard drive in a cradle built into my tower, just unlock the cradle and slide it out and change over to another slave drive if you want. I use it mainly for all my back ups so if the pc goes up in smoke everything is safe.

[frollard]

Another option in addition to the previous suggestions is to get removable hard drives for your computer and pull them every night and put them in a good safe. May not stop the thieves but it should slow them down.

The problem is porting the existing data onto a removable HD, and then dealing with the slower DTR. You'd need to throw on a special rig of a dual USB2 or Dual FireWire, so you'd need to pull in a EE just to get it done efficiently.

I was thinking more along the lines of something like this
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=394845&Sku=K450-8000&CatId=285

where you can easily remove the internal hard drive.

I wonder what the life expectancy of that internal plug is....

50 conductor, one is bound to go bad soon enough - NES anyone?

[plot]

well, they are only 12$ a peice... average life expectancy of a computer is 3 years though, so i bet one would last that long..

[funboy79015]

I'm not sure about the quality of that particular device. I just posted it to as an example of the type of device I was suggesting.

[WhiteHat]

I guess these unfortunate break ins are what I was ranting about in this thread:

viewtopic.php?t=3104

this is what's possible if a knowledgable criminal gets it into their head to do something like identity theft. I guess it's less likely to happen to a private residence.

[LittlePeaceful]

Back to the original question you can have a look at the following page for some locks extremely difficult to pick:
http://www.chez.com/montmartre/autres.html

Many of these locks will probably difficult to get in your area (I suppose US) but this would probably mean that they are less known by thefts too.

Being in your position I would try to get an EVVA MCS/Icon Magnetic. These magnetic locks are not pickable in the traditional way and no other possible way to bypass them has been heard so far.

[PickPick]

Being in your position I would try to get an EVVA MCS/Icon Magnetic. These magnetic locks are not pickable in the traditional way and no other possible way to bypass them has been heard so far.

But you need to protect it well with a hardene lock shield, otherwise the core can be pulled.

[LittlePeaceful]

Is the core much easy to pull ? Is it someway due to the absence of pins and/or to the stright keyway ?

Anyway Casey said in the attacks to the other places the locks were picked. I didn't think about it by the phisical attack point of view. By such point of view euro cylinders in general aren't indeed the best soution .

[PickPick]

Well, AFAIK it's not different from any other normal lock, euro cylinder or not, as euro or not is mainly a difference when it comes to breaking the cylinder, not when pulling the core. A tool like the Zieh-Fix can excert a tremendous amount of force. Anyway, the problem with the MCS is that the last time I heard about it, it didn't have pull protection and the core glides out very nicely without much damage so it's easy to switch it for a new one with noone the wiser.
Another thing about MCS is that they break down when subjected to high heat, so when a fire breaks out, you may not be able to open the lock all of a sudden, which is why in a lot of places the fire codes didn't allow their use.

[Chucklz]

I wonder if there are any attacks specifically using curie temperature. Anyone?

[toomush2drink]

I wonder if there are any attacks specifically using curie temperature. Anyone?

I have heard of extreme cold being used to defeat padlocks. Basically we get pipe freezing kits over here for plumbing, they allow a pipe to be worked on without turning off the water supply.These kits comprise of a sleeve and a a "freeze" spray which is liquid nitrogen i think.They put the sleeve around the padlock and spray in the spray and then hit it with a hammer. Some padlocks now are being marketed as freeze tested that resist this form of attack.

[Chucklz]

curie temperature is the breakdown temperature for a magnetic material. at or above the curie temperature magnets loose their magnetism (super simple def)


I have not seen a pipe freezing kit here in US... yet. Who makes this equipment ? Also, what about the padlocks makes them freeze resistant?

[toomush2drink]

Sorry chucklz i misunderstood

This link shows the kits and very easy to get hold of
http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/cat.jsp?cId=100130&ts=82383
This site is superb anyway for most things, i use them a lot.

I think its because it makes the hardened metal so brittle that it works so i assume they change the temper of the metal in the resistant locks. Anyone else correct me if im wrong as metal tempers isnt my thing