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Residential door handle lock

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Residential door handle lock

Postby OilDaily » 25 Jul 2008 2:35

Hello -

Removed from a previous house, I am holding a residential door handle / lockset that does not match the finish of any of the hardware in my home now. The features of this handle / lockset drive me to search for the same features in a finish that matches my home's existing hardware.

The outside handle requires a key to enter.
The inside handle has no features.
When you close the door behind you, it is locked every time.
It requires a key to enter -- every time.

How do I obtain / build this? I tried matching up halves from different locksets in a local hardware store... to no avail.

Do I need to have a locksmith make an adjustment to a new lockset?

Many thanks,
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Postby maintenanceguy » 25 Jul 2008 7:16

I don't know where you are. In the US this is known as a "storeroom function" lockset.

always locked on the outside.
Always unlocked from the inside
Key required to open lock from the outside and door remains locked from outside when key is removed.

A locksmith or commercial door hardware supply house will have what you need. The local hardware store or big box store probably won't.
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Postby elipriest » 25 Jul 2008 7:57

In Australia the locksets that are always free on the inside and always locked on the outside, using the key to draw that latch back are known as a 'Vestibule Set'

You usually can't change the function of a lockset unless it's specifically designed to allow it (newer Mortise Locks, Lockwood 3572 for example)
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Postby OilDaily » 25 Jul 2008 10:54

Thank you both for sharing your info.
I had a sense that it was a commercial grade lockset.
I'm on it now...
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Postby lunchb0x » 25 Jul 2008 12:03

alot of cheaper entrance sets can be set up like this, the ones with the push button on the inside, you can either push the button in and turn it so it stays locked, so turning the key retracts the latch, you can also get replacement internal knobs so the internal button will be covered and cant be unlocked without removing the handle
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Postby maintenanceguy » 25 Jul 2008 13:43

You can also get an "office entrance" function lock that has a button on the inside to lock the door that works a bit differently.

With the button pushed, the door is locked. Open the door with the key and the door goes to the unlocked condition.

With the button pushed AND turned, the door is locked. Open the door with the key and it stays in the locked condition.

This allows you the flexibility of having your lock work as both a store room function lock or as a regular entrance function lock.

US terminology.
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Postby globallockytoo » 26 Jul 2008 2:09

elipriest wrote:In Australia the locksets that are always free on the inside and always locked on the outside, using the key to draw that latch back are known as a 'Vestibule Set'

You usually can't change the function of a lockset unless it's specifically designed to allow it (newer Mortise Locks, Lockwood 3572 for example)



Excuse me?

A vestibule set has and always will be a mortise style lock with a latch (and bolt sometimes). The latch is noticeable because it has a reverse taper usually in the middle of it.

It's no different in Australia.

Australian Lockwood 500 series, 530 series, 930 series etc and have their functions changed with the purchase of specific parts.

The 3572 doesnt need any additional parts because the unit is designed to be changeable function without dismantling.

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Postby elipriest » 26 Jul 2008 6:36

My mistake, a Vestibule function is the following:
Outside - Key will always draw the latch back, handle can be locked/unlocked by key inside
Inside - Handle is always free, key will lock/unlock outside handle.

The 3572 doesnt need any additional parts because the unit is designed to be changeable function without dismantling.

The Lockwood Synergy 3572 is designed to have it's function altered without too much hassle. ... but you would need to replace cams, and possibly remove the lock to change the Escape function on the body of the lock. Some would call that dismantling, as you are actually removing parts and replacing them.

The latch is noticeable because it has a reverse taper usually in the middle of it.

What exactly does that mean?? Do you mean it has a auxillary bolt for deadlatching? A deadlatching latch does not mean a vestibule function.

The point I was making is that a lot of cheaper locks cannot have their functions easily changed.
And please, show me a Vestibule Bolt.
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