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Working with an audience

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Working with an audience

Postby b540glenn » 3 Aug 2004 15:15

What is your standard practice of allowing your customers to watch as you pick/bypass/open their locks?

This comes up after talking with my B.I.L. about wanting to get into the locksmithing business. He stated that he once called a locksmith (no name, just "some guy" as his story went) to open his car for him (keys locked inside). When the locksmith came to open the car, he made my B.I.L. stand away and not watch the operation.

Was there a particular reason (please speculate as much as you want)?
How do you feel about an audience?
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Postby quicklocks » 3 Aug 2004 15:35

i let them watch as ihave the tools for the job they dont. some of the tools i use are retricted to locksmiths and they havent put the practise in to get as good as i am (im nowhere near the best and am still learning)when i open a lock if the customer says i could do that i give them the picks and let them try, they will give up in five mins. i just say i have spent years practiceing. when it comes to by passing them i may just sheild the lock from veiw with my body but dont make it obvious, i only do this so i do not scare the customer, i may suggest they get new locks as the old ones are pants. but honesty is usaly the best way. you may get the job of replacing the locks if they see they are easy to get into. pros and cons. swings and roundabouts.
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Postby archiebald » 4 Aug 2004 1:53

Just tell them that its a $20.00 fee if you want to watch.But who really cares if they do or not in my opinion I have met to many people that are so far up them selves just because they can open a lock give me a week and a trained monkey could put half of us to shame. :) :D
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Postby randmguy » 4 Aug 2004 8:45

Sure I'll let them watch...It's there money after all. I think the audience factor is another reason many locksmiths use pick guns or electrics...If they see you stick a couple of pieces of bent metal in a lock and jiggle them around for a minute they think it's simple. If you pull out a piece of equipment that makes a little noise they think, "Well I guess you can't get past my locks without special equipment".

The complicated equipment thing is why so many (expletive deleted) keep fishing around inside their car doors with a coat hanger. You should be lucky enough to see what happens after someone sees you use a reach tool inside their car. I got to cut a key for a Dodge a while ago with glass all over the front seat. This guy used a gorilla bar to pry open the glass and save $45....DOH!
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Postby S3rratedSp00L » 4 Aug 2004 19:54

In my humble opinion you might as well let them watch! You already have their money and it is your skill they are paying for. It is not like you are training them how to do it. Even though it is not that hard, they'll still have to figure it out. Even a Chimpanzee would have to practice, anyway.. Since the information is *and should be* publicly available I don't see a problem. If the information wasn't publicly available, then there would be a problem. ..but I feel that the hiding of the information would be the problem. You may find that when you try to hide things, people just get more curious, and when you just do things righ out in the open they sometimes go unnoticed. It depends on the people involved, among other things. :)

Besides, people sometimes refuse to believe that their locks are vulnerable until someone shows them! If they are concerned at all about their security, then it would be in their best interest to watch and learn! The smith might sell another lock and some keychains as well. People respect things that can be proven, and people who tell the truth. If you can prove to them that their lock is garbage at least they know you are honest. It's a judgement call, but if they ask to watch, why not?

If I had to call a smith to open a lock that I couldn't and he/she refused to let me watch, I would either cancel, or not hire him/her in the future... If he charged me money just to watch, I would feel ripped off because I would be paying extra for something that most smiths around here do for free.

In my experiance, most U.S. locksmiths, at least here on the West coast and also in the midwest will just let you watch as long as you don't bug them. That is fair enough. :)
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Postby Retrovertigo » 5 Aug 2004 22:17

I ask em to read the contract while Im going about my business getting into the car. Works best during the AM hours (sleepy time) cause I usually bring my customers a cup of hot coffee lol. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. I don't like an audience personally but I don't put up a fuss if they watch.
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Postby Luke » 6 Aug 2004 1:44

On the very little on the job experience i have had, i would say, a smith i know lets them watch, he doesnt mind. But when it comes to me, i prefer not to have an audience saying, "Common, James Bond and Macgyver did it in 1 second"...
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Postby toomush2drink » 6 Aug 2004 11:30

I take so long to get in they get bored watching :wink:
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Postby Luke » 6 Aug 2004 17:48

So u dont get in at all?> :lol:
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Postby skold » 6 Aug 2004 18:15

i have opened to house locks so far for others.. i told them that it would open faster if i had no-one around to annoy me
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