Lockpicking Books

[Satan130]

So at what point did you specifically ask for an advanced book?

I'm curious; could you show me any part of this topic where I asked for anything besides information on LSS? Thanks.

LOL, I thought the same thing, I think he assumed that because LSS is pretty advanced, we the reader should have known he ment advanced books only... ok im done sorry for carrying on

See above

wow!... u know your smart a** tone is'nt appreciated, you asked a question about a very known thing, I assumed you where a bit of a noob (not a bad thing btw, u have to start somewhere) but right on, be disrespectful little punk when someone is taking time to try to help you... you'll learn alot with that attitude... Also try the search button some time... It'll blow your mind...
your welcome BTW...

You assume I'm a noob, and I respond harshly. If that makes me an ass, then I'm sorry.

On the second point, could you check your own advice before giving it out? I searched this sight and Google on LSS and got absolutely nothing helpful.

I never liked the saying assuming makes an ass out of u and me, but it's so true here.

[Satan130]

You assume I'm a noob, and I respond harshly. If that makes me an donkey, then I'm sorry.

@ sensors

[apb]

So at what point did you specifically ask for an advanced book?

I'm curious; could you show me any part of this topic where I asked for anything besides information on LSS? Thanks.

This was an observation that if you did not know what the LSS was in the first place, then how would you know that it was advanced book? I would have to assume that and we all know what assuming does thanks to your last post. That being said, let's all lighten up here, because arguing on these forums makes us all look stupid and lose track of the reason we're here: to learn lockpicking.

[Satan130]

fair enough

[tacedeous]

Cheers!

[talbuz]

LSS+ is available in three different security levels: PUBLIC, LOCKSMITH, and GOVERNMENT.

I had never heard of LSS until this forum, and Im pretty intrigued now. In case I should ever be so lucky and manage to find one for sale (and afford it) can someone please give me a basic idea of the difference between the three security levels. (E.g. does the Govt version have details of the locks on Area 51 hangars?). Joking apart, is the difference in just the material or also the people it is made available to, such as public, certified locksmiths and government agencies?
Thanks.

[MacGyver101]

. . . can someone please give me a basic idea of the difference between the three security levels . . .

Marc has a summary page on his website, listing the differences between the various versions. Anyone can purchase the public version, but Marc won't sell the Locksmith or Government editions to the general public.

[talbuz]

Thanks MG.

[greyman]

This looks like an opportunity to plug my book called "high security mechanical locks: an encyclopedic reference". It's not specifically about picking, but hey - you are also interested in locks, right?

Also, read the forums - there's a whole lot there.

Click on my signature for more info (and try google books)

[raimundo]

Greyman, you should mention your book to Weerwolf, a dutch member who was looking at buying Bill Phillips Locksmithing book, but as he is in Holland, yours would be better for covering the euro locks.

About reading the back posts in some threads, There is an easier way to look for quality old posts.
Look at the bottom of a post from someone whom you believe is skilled, and look to see what his favorite topic is, then scan his posts, this will show you the first few lines of the reply, and if there is information that you need, just click on that thread and read the whole thing.

There are a lot of experts here and some have special knowlege of a particular lock, like jk and the medecos. You can get a lot from the profiles and the most common posts of these people.
This will eliminate some misinformation that may have been posted by someone who is actually unclear on the topic. By looking at the posts linked in the profile, you can find people who have a good record of quality posts and read their whole coverage of the topic your searching.

[talbuz]

Just to put in my ten cents worth in response to a comment about there being no such thing as the best book to learn from. I agree that this forum has incredible information, I am still astounded by what I find when I browse it (I'm an intermediate level hobbyist).

LSS is great for learning, but dont bash all commercially-available books. Some of them can be very useful to learn from. When I started out I was alone in learning, there was hardly anything in print available. The books by David DeVal (out of print and basic by today's standards) got me started, followed by Steven Hampton's books. I particularly like his Improvised Lock-picking: Secrets from the Master, as it has very good exploded diagrams and details.

[dmux]

a lot of online reading is good, you can find some very good information on this site if you dig around. but its nice to have something hardcover.

[talbuz]

Just to put in my ten cents worth in response to a comment about there being no such thing as the best book to learn from. I agree that this forum has incredible information, I am still astounded by what I find when I browse it (I'm an intermediate level hobbyist).

LSS is great, but some commercially-available books. Some can be very useful for beginers to learn from. When I started out I was alone and there was hardly anything in print available. The books by David DeVal (out of print and basic by today's standards) got me started, followed by Steven Hampton's books. I particularly like his Improvised Lock-picking: Secrets from the Master, as it has some good exploded diagrams and details.

[greyman]

raimundo - thanks for the tip and good advice on getting the most out of the LP101 forums. There is so much info in here that you could spend weeks just trawling.

[5thcorps]

Lock picking books I have found do not provide enoigh necessary information. Books on lock principles and their disassembly and repair can help a lock picker 100 times as much. By focusing on how a lock functions the reader can better visualize what makes them vulnerable to attack. As a mechanic it helps me to understand say how an automatic transmission functions before I can start pinpointing faults