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Just some clarification.

Having read the FAQ's you are still unfulfilled and seek more enlightenment, so post your general lock picking questions here.
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Just some clarification.

Postby -Diesel- » 9 Sep 2009 21:43

"§ 6-205. Burglary in the fourth degree

Prohibited--Possession of burglar's tool

(d) A person may not possess a burglar's tool with the intent to use or allow the use of the burglar's tool in the commission of a violation of this subtitle."

That is marylands law for owning things like lockpicks and bump keys.

It says "a burglar's tool with the intent to use"

So they are pretty much saying that we can own one... but owning one and wanting to use it to break into somebody's house (and other criminal things) isn't allowed?

So technically I can walk around in the streets in front of the police and they have no right to confiscate them?

Thank you, I know laws are made to mess with you. Just needed some clarification.

(Oh, are there any laws regarding the purchase of lockpicks/bumpkeys?)
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Re: Just some clarification.

Postby sfi72 » 9 Sep 2009 21:51

Intent to use just means that if you have them on your person, they can decide you had the intent to use, and arrest you if they feel like it...it's more so they can cover themselves. Also your allowed to own and carry picks in MD without a license, just don't get arrested with them on your person as you will most likely be charged with possession.
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Re: Just some clarification.

Postby -Diesel- » 9 Sep 2009 22:02

sfi72 wrote:Intent to use just means that if you have them on your person, they can decide you had the intent to use, and arrest you if they feel like it...it's more so they can cover themselves. Also your allowed to own and carry picks in MD without a license, just don't get arrested with them on your person as you will most likely be charged with possession.



heh, you are allowed to carry them on you, but when you get caught you suddenly aren't

I love laws.

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Re: Just some clarification.

Postby unlisted » 9 Sep 2009 23:02

Do I even need to jump in here?

Do not pick locks you do not own, do not pick locks in use.

I would recommend you leave all your picks, tools, etc at home at all times, and only pick at your residence.

Don't want those laws to start "messing" with you now, do you?
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Re: Just some clarification.

Postby tballard » 9 Sep 2009 23:07

Lemme clarify. It's like carrying a crowbar around. There are lots of good reasons you might be doing so. If you're pulling nails in your garage, it doesn't much matter, but if you're hanging out behind a building at 3 AM dressed all in black, expect to get a guided tour of your local police station.
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Re: Just some clarification.

Postby NanoDuke » 9 Sep 2009 23:33

Here in Australia lock picks are regarded as *insert police terminology here* items. Having a mind blank here.

My brother, who is a police officer, says that picks are in the same class as utility knifes, diamond drill bits, etc. They're items that raise suspicion. Nobody has any reason to carry them on their person in public, unless their job requires them to do so.
The question came up when a friend of mine carried a box cutter around her neck when going to and from work. If she was to be pulled over by the police, she'd be charged with carrying a weapon. If it's for work purposes, it's supposed to stay at your place of work. Same for residential items.
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Re: Just some clarification.

Postby MacGyver101 » 10 Sep 2009 7:08

unlisted wrote:Do I even need to jump in here?

Do not pick locks you do not own, do not pick locks in use.

With respect, I don't think he was suggesting doing either of those things? He was asking if he was breaking the law by carrying lockpicks in a way that didn't suggest a criminal intent (e.g., driving over to his local LSI meeting).

I'm not a lawyer, so I can't comment on what would be sufficient to establish "intent" in a case like this... but, like most things, it would likely come down to the attitude of the officer you're talking to, what you tell them, and whether they feel you're doing something suspicious.
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Re: Just some clarification.

Postby Wizer » 10 Sep 2009 7:37

My opinion is that the law should be same for people who can talk nicely and for those who can´t.
It should not be up to the officer enforcing the law nor a citizen with good or bad explanation.
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Re: Just some clarification.

Postby MacGyver101 » 10 Sep 2009 8:32

Wizer wrote:My opinion is that the law should be same for people who can talk nicely and for those who can´t.

Couldn't agree with you more.
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Re: Just some clarification.

Postby unlisted » 10 Sep 2009 9:31

MacGyver101 wrote:
Wizer wrote:My opinion is that the law should be same for people who can talk nicely and for those who can´t.

Couldn't agree with you more.


I agree as well, but the OP did post this in the first thread:
Thank you, I know laws are made to mess with you. Just needed some clarification.
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