can someone tell me about this medeco padlock?

[lupstarr]

i was given this lock by a friend because the key was lost.can someone give me some info on the lock?on the side it says medeco but the core says chubb 51s and medeco 32s.does it have a sidebar?if so how to go about picking.if no sidebar how to go about picking lol.i just want to get in the thing.its like having a eating disorder and having a huge cake in front of you for days and not eating it.i know its gonna be a challenge so some info would be helpfull.thx

[Scott_93]

Its a Medeco/Chubb (Chubb make Medeco under license in my part of the world) SFIC core, It's not a bi-axial or M3 or cam by the look of it and the number (51S) it is a Medeco/Chubb classic system, expect *lots* of anti-pickness, I would definitely not recommend starting out on this lock, if you were to have a play though, you have to pick as you would a standard pin tumbler and then set the rotations, most of the rotations can be set with a "groove-grabber", although if it is a classic I think there would be ARX pins, protecting from this attack, so you would have to set SOME of the rotations with the grabber and the rake the remaining, easier said than done unfortunately.

Good luck and don't break the law

Scott,

[lupstarr]

wow that was fast.thx for the info.looks like this lock is a bit out of my league for now.one day!

[poor paperclip picker]

So with medecos, you have to pick to shear line, then set the rotation? I have a medeco switch lock, and for some reason I always thought you had to pick and rotate to the shear line at the same time. This makes it sound a bit easier, but I am sure its still gonna be tough.

[datagram]

So with medecos, you have to pick to shear line, then set the rotation? I have a medeco switch lock, and for some reason I always thought you had to pick and rotate to the shear line at the same time. This makes it sound a bit easier, but I am sure its still gonna be tough.

In a normal Medeco you can do either combination depending on which way you torque the plug. The switch locks don't have a shear line, just the sidebar (but are much harder to pick because they don't have sidebar grooves).

dg

[poor paperclip picker]

thanks dg, so what is the way of going about to pick the switch lock? I can feel some pins set, and when I release tension I hear/feel the pins click back into place. If you don't want to post your response here because medecos are "high security" please pm me.

Or if you feel it is fine to talk about in the open forums, but feel this is getting off topic for this thread. Feel free to post in this thread I started about this lock. viewtopic.php?f=9&t=44028&p=336920#p336920

Or post back here.

Thanks

[lupstarr]

how would you set the rotation?the locks out of my league for now.but its not gonna stop me from trying.can you break it down for me step by step?thx

[JK_the_CJer]

For Medeco cam/switch locks, most of the new tricks that have been released in the last couple of years don't work. They don't have sidebar grooves at all and instead use little holes on the sides of the pins. This means that rotation and lift are truly connected instead of being seperated as in "real" Medecos. In theory, these locks should be harder to pick because of that. Check out youtube and you'll see a ton of videos of folks raking open Medeco cam locks (although many of them are not titled to reflect that its a cam/switch). This suggests that raking these things open is actually easier. I don't remember seeing false gates on them, so maybe thats why.

As for tips, I don't have any for these. One thing to consider is that there is only one kind of binding. That means that if you feel a pin binding while being lifted, it may also have to be rotated. Rotating pins without special tools is usually done using a hook/deforest by scraping along the chisel-edge of the pin to one side or the other.

[femurat]

Hi JK_the_CJer,

unfortunately there are two types of bind: as you can see from my previous post linked by poor paperclip picker, these pins are spooled.
If you false set them they don't drop down but can still rotate. This can help you understand if you've set them properly or not.

About picking them I can confirm they're harder than regular medeco: I can pick a 32S fully pinned with the sidebar with just an half diamond, but when I played with my switch lock I couldn't go over three pins. Maybe I have to give it another try... I'm sure raking it is easier but I prefer SPP.

Cheers

[JK_the_CJer]

femurat: Yup yup, that response was to poor paperclip talking about the switch locks with no shearline.

For the OP, I can only suggest building a groovegrabber or full-on Medecoder as always http://theamazingking.com/medecoder.html

[-Diesel-]

The hole looks a bit like some Yales I've seen....


Are they somehow related?

[-Diesel-]

Also:


Are all Medeco locks a pain in the ass to open?

I'm thinking of buying a Medeco deadbolt, want to know if it is normal..

[femurat]

Hi -Diesel-,

the only thing medeco has in common with yale is that they both produce locks. But I'm not sure we can take this into account

I bought my first medeco a lot earlier than I should. It laid in a box for many months before I could play with it. My suggestion is to use the money for a lock that you can pick at the moment or in the near future. It's a lot more enjoyable.

Cheers

[femurat]

To the OP: if you ever want to get rid of this lock let me know...

Cheers