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Parts are Parts

Having read the FAQ's you are still unfulfilled and seek more enlightenment, so post your general lock picking questions here.
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Parts are Parts

Postby sugurfoot » 29 Oct 2009 23:37

I was re pinning a Kwikset deadbolt which I have done many times, and after I put the new pins in I tried the key to make sure all pins stopped on the shear line and were correct. And they were, but when I tried to remove the key it wouldnt come out. I had to dump all the pins to get it out. And it was the same key I use to do this with because I do many locks to the same code, so the key works a thousand times but this time it didn't. I could see nothing about this that would cause the key not to come out. I again dumped the pins and started over because I wanted to learn what the problem was. it did it again, so I tried replaceing the plug and the key came out OK but then didn't want to fit the hull and they were both the same length. So I just tossed that lock and replaced it with a new one and I thought "I need to to go to lock picking 101 and ask about this. They will know what the deal was.
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Re: Parts are Parts

Postby raimundo » 11 Nov 2009 8:52

If you had the key at top dead center when you tried to pull it out, and it didn't come out, this is almost certainly traced to the cam slopes of the key cuts, another possible source of the problem could be if you had put one of the key pins in upside down so that rather than having a pointed pin riding on those cam slopes, you had a flat bottomed pin riding the slopes and hanging up on the cross cut striations left by the key cutter.
when these problems develope, and thats what they do, develope, the problem may start out as a merely tricky key and then each time the key is forcefully removed, the dent in the cam slope becomes more likely to hang up next time as it is wearing deeper.
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Re: Parts are Parts

Postby ElAbogado » 11 Nov 2009 12:35

sugurfoot wrote:I was re pinning a Kwikset deadbolt which I have done many times, and after I put the new pins in I tried the key to make sure all pins stopped on the shear line and were correct. And they were, but when I tried to remove the key it wouldnt come out. I had to dump all the pins to get it out. And it was the same key I use to do this with because I do many locks to the same code, so the key works a thousand times but this time it didn't. I could see nothing about this that would cause the key not to come out. I again dumped the pins and started over because I wanted to learn what the problem was. it did it again, so I tried replaceing the plug and the key came out OK but then didn't want to fit the hull and they were both the same length. So I just tossed that lock and replaced it with a new one and I thought "I need to to go to lock picking 101 and ask about this. They will know what the deal was.


There are times when an otherwise good working key will not come out of a lock it is because the tailpiece has excessive play in it. If this were a schlage, I would recommend tightening the retaining piece a bit.

The test is to grasp the key on the blade between the thumb and the index finger and extract it by pushing these two fingers against the cylinder plug. If it comes out easily, then you know that this is the problem.

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Re: Parts are Parts

Postby mhole » 12 Nov 2009 7:47

I've had the problem with a loose tailpiece - the whole plug can slide out of the body of the lock by a fraction, which prevents the pins lifting to release the key.
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Re: Parts are Parts

Postby I Pik U » 14 Nov 2009 9:22

Is it possable you had the cylinder body on backwards to the plug?
The pin chambers would not line up then and you could not remove the key.
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Re: Parts are Parts

Postby Tyler J. Thomas » 14 Nov 2009 19:28

Well he did mention it was a deadbolt and not a KIK/KIL cylinder. It's hard to confuse which end of the plug goes where on a deadbolt given that the scalp is a clear indicator of the front.
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