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Is picking old locks usualy harder than new ones?

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Is picking old locks usualy harder than new ones?

Postby nls777 » 21 Jan 2010 22:16

I have been picking locks for just over a year but only the same 30 that are sitting around the shop and most are old. The ones I do on call I find the same thing any old locks are always so much harder to pick than a brand new out of the box schlages. is it just me or do other people find the same problem. Its just alot harder to lift the pins when there older and out side etc. what would I do to get better working with the stiff locks :?:
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Re: Is picking old locks usualy harder than new ones?

Postby Solomon » 22 Jan 2010 2:12

Depends really. Older locks can be easier to pick since the tolerances become looser due to wear and tear over the years. As for the pins being harder to lift, this is down to buildup within the lock thanks to constant exposure to the elements. It dampens the feedback a little, but at the same time it's easier to avoid oversetting pins when they don't lift as smooth and light as they should. Although if there is a lot of buildup in the lock, pins which really shouldn't be binding can stick and overset, so determining the actual binding order is more difficult.

Another problem is that people are advised to lubricate the lock every x amount of time to keep everything smooth, but of course nobody ever does. Not a problem if you're using a key, but when picking, instead of the plug rotating nice and smooth, it has a slight drag to it. Because of that stickiness, if you do overset a pin, you can't lower your tension by tiny increments like you normally can, meaning you pretty much have to reset the lock.

If you're working on a lock which has been used outdoors for a long period of time and having trouble with it, you need to determine what's going on and use the appropriate stuff. A graphite spray will loosen up and flush out the debris which is in there, so if you have sticky pins, use that. If it's just a sticky plug, use a silicon based lubricant to get it rotating nice and smooth again. If you're dealing with a padlock though, a sticky plug is usually to do with the spring return and there isn't really any way around that so you just have to deal with it.

On that note, many cheaper padlocks use tighter springs, so don't confuse spring resistance with stickiness and bust out the lube straight away. Tighter springs give better feedback and make the lock much easier to read, but if you lube it unnecessarily, you're gonna make it harder on yourself. Heavy springs and slippy pins aren't a good combination to work with. :mrgreen:
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Re: Is picking old locks usualy harder than new ones?

Postby Rickthepick » 27 Jan 2010 9:59

obviously locks will weather. If you have a padlock sitting out in the elements for years your going to be lucky to pick it open.

Pinned door locks are usually full of dirt and crap and can take a good ten mins of flushing out with spray to get them feeling right again.

But again the wear can cause the lock to become sloppy and may open easier.

usually the cheap stuff that becomes beyond picking. Tricircle padlocks being the worst
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Re: Is picking old locks usualy harder than new ones?

Postby Eyes_Only » 27 Jan 2010 15:39

I've ran into a couple of lockout calls where I was up against a older Yale padlock from what looks like from the 70's or 60's. Those always gave me problems, I just couldn't feel what was going on inside locks cos the feedback was so subtle. Maybe the problem was a sticking plug but even with lube it didn't make it any easier.
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Re: Is picking old locks usualy harder than new ones?

Postby zeke79 » 27 Jan 2010 16:36

It depends I guess. If it is a used lock that is protected well from the elements then I find it no harder. However if it is a lock exposed to the elements such as snow, ice, rain, dust, sand etc I do find them harder to pick for some reason in most cases. It also depends on just how long the lock has been exposed to the elements

Hope that helps out some,

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