can any lock be picked?

[locknpawn]

hi,this is David From
a1 rutherford locksmith
people ask me can any lock be picked? so i can put them on a harder
pinning to to 1-6-1-6-1 one's and six's is very hard to pick any lock.. what do you think?

[globallockytoo]

hi,this is David From
a1 rutherford locksmith
people ask me can any lock be picked? so i can put them on a harder
pinning to to 1-6-1-6-1 one's and six's is very hard to pick any lock.. what do you think?

that is the easiest combination to bump or read. Anyhow, you are talking kwikset, the easiest lock on the planet to pick.

You want pick resistant and bump proof, but dont want to spend the money? Install smartkey....way better than faulty MACS.

Picking is not worth the hooplah for the customer in all reality. The statistics of break ins due to locks being picked is too low to be consequential.

Bumping on the other hand is far more likely due to availability of bump keys, ease of making them etc.

[raimundo]

That pinning you mention would probably fit a bogota rake like a key, you wouldn't have to use it like a rake.

[lokpikr999]

Once you master single pin picking,picking just about any pin tumbler lock(Regardless of how it is keyed)will be like taking candy from a baby.If yuo have not already read it,read my tip and I'm sure you will not be disappointed with the results

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Best Regards,

Alex.

[zeke79]

Depending on the keyway, lock tolerances, and security pins, pinning to MACS can make some locks very difficult to pick. I have an old evva padlock with such an evil keyway that I cannot get my lab's thinnest hook pick in there to pick it. I can access the front pins with it but the pins further back are just about impossible to get the pick into. I wish I could locate some blanks for it so I could impression it and use it but I don't see the blank in any of my keyblank catalogs so I am stuck with this aggravating paper weight that I just cannot seem to pick... It's so frustrating trying to work with that keyway that after a few minutes I just toss the thing down and won't try again for several months.

Here is a pic of the keyway. It doesn't look that bad in the picture but trust me it is evil. There is a schlage SC1 keyway and a dime in the picture for comparison.

[ElAbogado]

Depending on the keyway, lock tolerances, and security pins, pinning to MACS can make some locks very difficult to pick. I have an old evva padlock with such an evil keyway that I cannot get my lab's thinnest hook pick in there to pick it. I can access the front pins with it but the pins further back are just about impossible to get the pick into. I wish I could locate some blanks for it so I could impression it and use it but I don't see the blank in any of my keyblank catalogs so I am stuck with this aggravating paper weight that I just cannot seem to pick... It's so frustrating trying to work with that keyway that after a few minutes I just toss the thing down and won't try again for several months.

Here is a pic of the keyway. It doesn't look that bad in the picture but trust me it is evil. There is a schlage SC1 keyway and a dime in the picture for comparison.

Excellent photo of, to put it in your words, "a truly evil keyway." All of us with outside experience have met a similar keyway at one time or another. That one does look familiar. Are you sure it's not in the Ilco catalog? Personally, I'd use DE on that beast if I encountered it in the field!

I could feel your frustration just by looking at the broaching on that plug....

El Abogado

[Phatphish]

Thats a fine bit of broaching there Zeke
I'd love to see the machine in action that makes 'em, anyone got any links?

[Eyes_Only]

This makes the tiny Abus and Yale keyways they use in storage shed businesses look like childs play.

[zeke79]

ElAbogado,

I have not seen a blank in my ilco catalog under the Evva section but there may be one in a different brand that would work or be close enough I could make it work with a bit of shaping on my sidewinder machine by working carefully. I have just never taken the time to go through my Ilco catalog to see if there is something under another manufacturer.

I have thought about making a set of picks from piano wire to help picking it but have never found the time to do it. It's just a padlock I have kept in my collection mainly since I have not been able to pick it. I find it hard to believe that I have managed to pick the non biaxial medeco six pin lock in my S&G 831 but cannot pick this standard pin tumbler lock. I need to get a new video cam so I can post a video while picking the 831 since it is such a pain as the cylinder is backset into the lock so far it makes getting to the sixth pin tough without rotating it improperly. I need to make a pick just for that sixth pin with the proper rotation filed into the tip of the hook pick and thin the pick tang as some of the front pins set very low.

[globallockytoo]

looks like either a OZ1 or OZ41 keyway profile.

[raimundo]

Ive encountered a similiar keyway, on a kryptonite cable bike lock. I also did not have the necessary tool to open this, later when the guy was moving, he found the keys stashed in a cupboard, behind the door frame for the cupboard door. So picking it became unnecessary.
I do believe that you could do it with the piano wire pick, those wards are not found in the pin drillngs, just between them, so a round shaft and an steep hook well finished would probably do it.
Im surprised that the padlock has such a weakness as that cylinder wall exposed to tools of distruction and not buried in the mass of brass.

[zeke79]

The paino wire is all I could think of. The problem is, once you move out of the pin drilling you have the pass the warding again and you must lift the pick handle upward and or a bit sideways so the hook can move to the next pin chamber. Once you get so far back in the lock you cannot lift and turn the pick sidewars enough to access the next pin chamber.

Maybe it's just a lock I'd have to send to you raimundo so you could take the time to fashion a pick that will access all pins without oversetting or resetting pins toward the front. I guess I need to take more interest in picking it and making the tools myself sometime.

[Josh K]

The warding on the EVVA is just in the face right? It doesn't extend down the pins like traditional warding?