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We use different kind of padlocks. How to pick these?

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We use different kind of padlocks. How to pick these?

Postby claws » 24 Jul 2010 3:43

Hello,

I'm new to lock picking. I've gone through video tutorials & books. Every tutorials shows similar type of lock picking. In India we have different type of padlocks.

You can see pictures here:
http://www.keylocksindia.com/showproduct.php?type=Square%20pad%20locks
http://www.keylocksindia.com/showproduct.php?type=Brass%20Pad%20Locks
http://www.keylocksindia.com/showproduct.php?type=Round%20Pad%20Locks

They have levers. On the lock it will be generally written. How many levers it uses. I didn't find any tutorial on how to pick these kinds of lock.

Can any one help me please.
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Re: We use different kind of padlocks. How to pick these?

Postby raimundo » 24 Jul 2010 7:46

Wow, lever padlocks in variants with six seven eight and nine levers,

I also noticed what might be a plastic curtain,

because they are lever locks, they could be very popular here for people who want to try to pick them.

The european members see a lot more lever locks than we do her in the US.

I wonder what they retail for here after shipping costs, and what would a case of them cost in 9levers?
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Re: We use different kind of padlocks. How to pick these?

Postby claws » 24 Jul 2010 8:05

The european members see a lot more lever locks than we do her in the US.


Why aren't they used in US? Almost every one India uses Lever locks. From what I've learn't so far Lever locks are difficult to pick than pin locks.

I wonder what they retail for here after shipping costs, and what would a case of them cost in 9levers?


I don't know about shipping them to US but for us it costs 3-4 dollars a piece for 9-lever lock. It might sound cheap to you. But this is India. :)
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Re: We use different kind of padlocks. How to pick these?

Postby Raymond » 24 Jul 2010 15:29

Those look neat! I want some also. Hey, Raimundo, know anyone who could arrange a quantity shipment for later distribution?
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Re: We use different kind of padlocks. How to pick these?

Postby TriannaX » 24 Jul 2010 18:58

On how to open these, here is my blatant speculation*:

First, look at this animation: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... mation.gif
(Color references below are from this animation)

From that, you can see how it works. Notice one part of the key moves the grey part (in this case, a bolt).

So...put some tension on that grey part.

Then try lifting the gold plates. Hopefully, due to manufacturing tollerences, one plate will stay up when lifted. Repeat for each plate.

It's up to you to find/make some tools that will work for this.

*I have never actually picked one of these locks, so my idea may not work, but it is based on the knowledge of locks and picking that I have accumulated over the years.
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Re: We use different kind of padlocks. How to pick these?

Postby datagram » 24 Jul 2010 19:49

India uses lever locks much more than the USA due to the high British influence they have historically. USA uses pin-tumblers because they are easier to master key and the modern pin-tumbler was historically an American design (Linus Yale Sr & Jr). Lever locks began to lose traction in the USA once pin-tumblers became popular in the mid-late 1800s. Regardless, both locks can become very complicated and interesting when designed with high security in mind.

In a lever lock the bolt is directly pressured by part of the key. The bolt has a stump on it that directly interfaces with the gates on each lever. To pick a lever lock you must apply tension to the bolt, then manipulate each lever to the right position. They bind individually just like pin-tumblers, and they offer a variety of anti-picking mechanisms just like pin-tumblers. The common tools used are a single tool to manipulate the bolt, and another to position levers, or a 2-in-1 tool to do both at once. More complicated lever locks may place the bolt lever in between other levers, which would require a 3-in-1 tool, and so on. Search around the site, I am sure there are various guides on picking them.

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Re: We use different kind of padlocks. How to pick these?

Postby raimundo » 25 Jul 2010 9:12

pin tumbler locks require some lathe work to make the cylinder and pins, while the lever locks can be made with parts that are produced on a punch press at a rate of a hundred parts per minute or more.
assembly is more labor intensive I would guess, though it might be possible for this to be done by a dedicated assembly machine, but its india, the people need the jobs and the dedicated machine would be very expensive.
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Re: We use different kind of padlocks. How to pick these?

Postby Engineer » 25 Jul 2010 18:04

Lever locks like these were very common indeed in the UK, even in the 1970s. A company called Squire used to make some that looked almost identical, although only 2-4 levers were common on them. Bigger padlocks were usually 4 to 5 levers and were made in the "Old English" style. Squire was the cheaper make, Belfry were the one that really looked mean on factory gates. hey were not too hard to get past them though and so factories that were more concerned with security went for Ingersoll locks.

Both Ingersoll and Belfry are now gone as such, but Squire is still with us and still makes "Old English" locks, with even a brass version for marine use:

http://www.squirelocks.co.uk/html/oldeng.htm

Lever padlocks are quite rare now, having been replaced mainly by cheaper imports of pinned locks. Lever locks have not gone away though by any means. They are very common on house doors. "Era" being a typical make, although Willenhall (who took over Belfry) also make the lever door locks:

http://www.willenhall-locks.co.uk/

Just to add to the confusion, most doors here will contain a cylinder lock AND a lever lock. Usually only locksmiths will call them that though. Ordinary people still tend to call cylinder locks "Yale" locks, while calling the lever locks that are fitted in doors "Mortice" locks. This is completely different to America for example, where a "Mortise" lock is usually a cylinder lock. Both uses are correct, since it simply means that a mortice/mortise (hole!) has to be cut in wood for fitting the lock into.
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