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Picking vs. Bypassing

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Picking vs. Bypassing

Postby Sugar » 23 Apr 2010 22:20

what is the difference between those two?
I'm not asking for specifics, just in general, at which point picking becomes bypassing?
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Re: Picking vs. Bypassing

Postby Evan » 23 Apr 2010 22:27

Picking would employ the use of lock picks to manipulate the lock from its locked state to the unlocked state...

Bypassing would be other methods of entry usually non-destructive in nature such as loiding (shimming the latch) or using advanced tools to take advantage of some weakness the lock you are up against has...

Destructive entry is also a means of bypassing and can involve pulling the cylinder or drilling the lock...

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Re: Picking vs. Bypassing

Postby MacGyver101 » 24 Apr 2010 1:26

To me, lockpicking is solving the "puzzle" of the lock, and opening it in a similar way to how the key would. Bypassing, on the other hand, is using some other technique (destructive or otherwise) to avoid the puzzle while opening the lock. Depending on the lock and the technique, both approaches can require equal amounts of skill and inginuity.
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Re: Picking vs. Bypassing

Postby Sugar » 24 Apr 2010 2:38

so I understand that "bypassing" is always a kind of backdoor and picking is more like fighting vulnerability of the locking method instead.

I wonder if lock manufacturers ever include "bypassing" methodes in their design on purpose?
E.g. hidden backdoors for government agencies.
They certainly do it with consumer level encryption methods, is it similar with high security non-military locks?
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Re: Picking vs. Bypassing

Postby Sugar » 24 Apr 2010 2:41

BTW, how can I edit my post after submitting?
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Re: Picking vs. Bypassing

Postby unlisted » 24 Apr 2010 2:49

Sugar wrote:BTW, how can I edit my post after submitting?

You do not. ;)

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Re: Picking vs. Bypassing

Postby MacGyver101 » 24 Apr 2010 14:41

Sugar wrote:I wonder if lock manufacturers ever include "bypassing" methodes in their design on purpose?
E.g. hidden backdoors for government agencies.
They certainly do it with consumer level encryption methods, is it similar with high security non-military locks?

While I suppose anything's possible, I'd find it highly unlikely.

Installing a hidden security hole in a crypto system (built upon many thousand lines of code and advanced mathemetical theory) is one thing (and, as you point out, has been done in some cases in the past). Hiding a secret backdoor in an easily-examined device with 20 or 30 parts, though, is very much harder. With the amount of effort that is spent examining locks by people on this site, I am sure that some evidence of "backdoor" engineering would have shown up if it were there.
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Re: Picking vs. Bypassing

Postby stratmando » 11 Aug 2010 21:53

I think of it as, if it simulates the Key, it is picked, everything else is bypassing?
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