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Wafer/cam lock repinning kit

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Wafer/cam lock repinning kit

Postby Shangri-laschild » 6 Oct 2010 10:10

I work with a lot of HON, ESP, Hudson, and Kimball desk/file locks. I'm trying to find a good kit for repinning(not sure if that term is still used since it's not pins) but I've been having trouble. The ESP kit I found has 1-5 but I cut some HON/ESP keys that have 7s in them. I'd even be willing to get an empty pin kit from somewhere and order the wafers separately but I am not sure where to find them and how to make sure I'm getting the right size. With pins, I can just got to the lab pins website but I haven't found one for wafers. Any ideas?
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Re: Wafer/cam lock repinning kit

Postby corey2444 » 6 Jan 2011 20:54

Good question. I just had to rekey 7 Hon file cabinets and had to improvise. I'm now looking for a kit myself.
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Re: Wafer/cam lock repinning kit

Postby Evan » 7 Jan 2011 17:13

@Shangri-laschild:

So you have the ESP kit # ODDCRK-30 ?

That will be good for the ESP and some Hudson locks...

You would have to look at the HON locks and see what original equipment manufacturer provided them to HON so you can obtain the correct pin/parts kit...

Just off the top of my head I can see that you have left quite a few wafer lock manufacturers off your list:

CompX Chicago (Steelcase), CompX Fort, CompX National, Illinois, CCL... Then some manufacturers make double-bitted wafer locks which are different kits... Master keyed wafer locks require special wafer kits to service... It also isn't a bad idea to have some extra stop cams, locking cams, washers, body nuts and cam nuts/screws around when you are going to work on wafer locks...

It gets way more complicated than the lab pins universal .003 or .005 pin kits for full size cylinders...

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Wafer/cam lock repinning kit

Postby MBI » 22 Jan 2011 0:39

Evan wrote:@Shangri-laschild:

So you have the ESP kit # ODDCRK-30 ?

That will be good for the ESP and some Hudson locks...

You would have to look at the HON locks and see what original equipment manufacturer provided them to HON so you can obtain the correct pin/parts kit...

Just off the top of my head I can see that you have left quite a few wafer lock manufacturers off your list:

CompX Chicago (Steelcase), CompX Fort, CompX National, Illinois, CCL... Then some manufacturers make double-bitted wafer locks which are different kits... Master keyed wafer locks require special wafer kits to service... It also isn't a bad idea to have some extra stop cams, locking cams, washers, body nuts and cam nuts/screws around when you are going to work on wafer locks...

It gets way more complicated than the lab pins universal .003 or .005 pin kits for full size cylinders...

~~ Evan


Evan hit the nail on the head. There seems to be very little standardization among wafer locks. Even if you leave out things like automotive wafer locks, double bitted locks and some of the more obscure "high security" attempts at wafer locks, you're going to need several kits to be able to service this stuff.

I have kits for ESP, CompX/Timberline, and my large main kit that I have improved and expanded well beyond it's original box years ago so I don't even recall who originally made it. Those are mainly for servicing the common wafer cabinet locks found in the US. I also have two custom kits I've put together that cover a lot of the oddball/foreign stuff that is out there, but there are so many different locks coming out of China and who knows where else that it's impossible to be prepared for them all.

From the context of your post I'm going to assume you're a locksmith. There are several locksmith supply wholesalers around, use a search engine to find them online and check their catalogs and see what wafer rekeying supplies they have. You might find some pre-made kits that will help you, but a lot of what I have came from buying refill packs because some of the parts I needed only seemed to be available that way. Also check their clearance items. I've found a lot of useful wafer refills that way; stuff that's discontinued or obsolete but there are still plenty of locks out there that use them.

As a general rule though, if I need to rekey a lock that needs an obscure part that I don't have, it's time to replace the lock with something more serviceable. Most generic locks aren't worth as much as the time/labor charge that it would take to get them back into service. Sometimes that's not an option, especially with old furniture, which is why I keep the oddball stuff around. If you find yourself having to deal with that sort of thing a lot and replacing the lock is just not an option, you could always get out the needle files and modify wafers from other kits to fit what you need.
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Re: Wafer/cam lock repinning kit

Postby Evan » 22 Jan 2011 21:12

@MBI:

If I am recalling correctly, Shangri-laschild is an in-house locksmith at a college or university... He has asked master keying questions before which fit with that sort of employment...

He would need to make sure he has the service parts/pin kits for whatever types of office furniture and file cabinets his college/university have in use...

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