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Multiple questions before I get a big head.

Having read the FAQ's you are still unfulfilled and seek more enlightenment, so post your general lock picking questions here.
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Multiple questions before I get a big head.

Postby Bladen » 31 Dec 2011 14:09

Hello and happy new years eve.

My wife was nice enough to bring me home some nice shiny locks today.

A master lock #3
A master lock #5
2 other master locks...I have no clue as to what they are.
A mountain dead bolt
A mountain door knob lock.
Random pinned shlage and kwikset practice locks on ebay that I don't yet have. Pinned 2 through 6. The six pin is a cutaway lock.

I assume the mountain locks are kwikset knock offs. They are both 5 pin.

I was able to open all of these in a small amount of time.
Either I'm doing something right or I should buy a lottery ticket today.

Now my questions:

#1 Is the master #3 a joke or is it just me?
I can't seem to NOT be able to pick it even when I go out of my way to do things wrong-heavy tension and such.

#2 Is it me or is it REALLY hard to over set pins in the master locks #3 and #5?

#3 Is it a bit more simple for you personally to be able to pick a lock that is mounted?
It seems I can feel and hear things a bit better when it is mounted.

#4 Again, for you personally, did you find that one day everything just seemed to come together and click?

Now to your questions,
No, Im sorry, my wife isn't for sale, lease, or rent.

As always, thank you in advance. I owe all of what I'm learning to you fine people.

Bladen
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Re: Multiple questions before I get a big head.

Postby Abbe » 31 Dec 2011 21:56

The easiest lock I have to pick is a #3 Master Lock. I'm not sure if it's just mine and they way it was keyed but I've actually popped mine in less than 10 seconds a number of times. Next easiest is the #5 Master lock. Neither is particularly challenging. Their Magnum Series is no better. I try new picks with both of them because they are so easy. Before starting to pick, I thought Master Locks were good protection. Now, I know better. The good new is you now have go-to locks when things are not clicking (and you will have those days).
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Re: Multiple questions before I get a big head.

Postby chaos4zap » 31 Dec 2011 21:59

I don't really think it's necessary to go through each of the questions, I think a quick summary will suffice. Those master locks are, by and large, a joke when it comes to security when it comes to lockpicking. It is not unusual to be able to stick just about anything in there, wiggle it around and have the lock pop open. As for over setting, it all depends on the biting of the key, but again, these locks are almost always very easy to open and therefore, not worth spending much time on how difficult it may be to over set the pins. Since any lock you encounter that may need to be opened (other than padlocks) will be mounted, I feel it's always best to practice with them mounted. Picking them unmounted is clearly an advantage while you are learning, but once you can do that with relative ease...it doesn't seem like there is much real value in continuing to pick it while holding the thing in your hand. It depends on the lock, which method seems to be "easier". There was a time at the beginning, when the basics seemed to click (I was using too much tension, TOK tension usually seems to work better in most cases, etc..) But since the tools and technique one uses are specific to the person, this makes sense. Finding that right combination of technique that works for you almost never comes quickly and only appears after much trial and error. And a similar epiphany seems to come separately with each aspect of picking (SPP'n, raking, snap gun, Bogota, etc...)

One thing that I have personally noticed is that over time I have become more comfortable with a few spool pins and tend to be faster with these now than locks without security pins. I'm sure it's a product of me just spending more time on the security pinned locks, but I thought I would just put it out there anyway in case someone else may have noticed the same thing and has an alternate theory.
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