EasyPickings???

[Pick4Kicks]

Hey guys i am fairly new to lockpicking (2 days) and i have been alternating between 2-3 pins on my Eversaftey Dead bolt Lock. It is really easy (probably because i have 2-3 pins) but whenever i move to 4 pins it takes 1:00 minute instead of like 20 seconds. This may be stupid but i am just wondering is there any hints to how i should practice so its not as hard. thanks.

Pick4Kicks

[Slick Pick]

Grasshopper,
You must practice very hard, so it's not as hard.

[Pick4Kicks]

Grasshopper,
You must practice very hard, so it's not as hard.

Thank you now i know i am not doing it wrong just haven't done it long enough... super stupid but i am also having trouble finding binding pin any hints?

[Slick Pick]

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[Pick4Kicks]

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I love the way you talk Thanks so much

[Pick4Kicks]

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When i do that i find that as i go i hit a pin the wont let my hook continue... then i find another?? Help

P.S sorry if these questions are stupid

[Slick Pick]

I only talk like that when I'm feeling philosophical, which isn't to often.

Your new so the questions aren't stupid, that's how you learn.

You hook won't continue where?
Do you mean you can't push the pin up or you can't past one pin to get to another pin?

If you can't push pins up you need to lighten up the pressure on your torsion tool (or tension tool). If you're pushing hard enough to change the color of your skin tone on the finger you're using for the torsion tool, you're pushing to hard. Feather light pressure.

If you can't get past some pins to get to other pins, the hook profile you're using may be to long (like if you're using a gonzo hook), try switching to a smaller hook profile.

Read everything and everything you can get your hands on and practice, over and over again.

[Pick4Kicks]

So just so i am sure... the binding pin is the hardest one to push up?

[EmCee]

Correct. If it's bound so tight you can't push the pin with your pick then you have applied too much torsion/tension, so ease off the tension slowly while keeping gentle pressure on the pin with your pick, until it starts to move.

It's no surprise that the lock will take a lot longer to open as you add pins back in. It's not 1pin = 5sec therefore 2pin = 10sec and 3pin = 15sec. Adding pins can make picking a lot harder so the time can increase more than you'd expect just by adding one more pin.

Not trying to insult you but not sure how much you already know, but you do know that the 'binding' order is random? In other words, you don't start at pin 1 and then move along the row in order. The binding order might be 3, 1, 2 or 2, 3, 1 with three pins.

So to find the first binding pin, you don't put the pick under the first pin and then apply tension until that pin binds. Instead, you apply gentle tension and then lightly move your pick under each pin to see which feels as though it has more resistance. If none do, increase the tension a bit and try again. Eventually, one of those pins will feel more resistant than the others, and that's the first binding pin.

Good luck!

Cheers...

[Pick4Kicks]

n.

Not trying to insult you but not sure how much you already know, but you do know that the 'binding' order is random? In other words, you don't start at pin 1 and then move along the row in order. The binding order might be 3, 1, 2 or 2, 3, 1 with three pins.

Cheers...

Not an insult,if you don't ask you cant help to the best of your ability... and i knew that before but what if i re-pin the lock does the binding order change
ex. 1-2-3-4-5 binding order/ pins 1-2-3-4-5
but if the pins are 1-3-2-5-4 is the binding order still
1-2-3-4-5

Thanks sorry again if seem stupid.

[Evan]

what if i re-pin the lock does the binding order change
ex. 1-2-3-4-5 binding order/ pins 1-2-3-4-5
but if the pins are 1-3-2-5-4 is the binding order still
1-2-3-4-5

@Pick4Kicks:

Umm no...

The size of the pin in each chamber has nothing to do with binding order...

It is the variance in the machining of the pin chambers in the plug and shell of the lock itself,
even though they appear to be in a "straight" line they are not, they will vary quite a bit from centerline...

You seem to be confused with numbers so lets say you have a lock keyed to key: 13254
If you label the pin chambers from the front of the lock to the back: abcde
The pins might bind in any order depending on how badly they are off center from each other...
Pin "a" is no more likely to bind first than pin "d"...
You will find that even amongst a sample of identical locks the binding order in each individual lock will be unique...

~~ Evan

[OrangePick]

To continue on what Evan said, remember that it's manufacturing imperfections that make SPP possible, so don't ever try to predict binding order. It's not wrong to try "12345" and "54321", but it'll be quickly obvious whenever a pin won't set (it remains springy) so you'll have to hunt around.

[Optagonal]

Can anyone here quantify hard and light pressure I just purchased one of those pressure gage torsion devices and will attempt to quantify it using my calibrated super light torque wrench that I use for my plastic motorcycle fairings over the next few weeks but if anyone here has already done this please post!!!!!!!