brute force a lock?

[PickPick]

I can see you being worried about Mazola oil parties, it attacks latex after all which is a bad thing. Not everyone has stainless steel toys after all.

As for the brute force method, while I'm doubtful that it would work on pin tumbler locks it's unfortunately a common way to defeat wafer locks.

In Germany the tool for it is called a 'polish key' because organized crime from Poland is very active in car theft in Germany. An example of such a key can be seen here: http://regio-aktuell24.de/text_lang.asp ... extes=4096

But I think this works because the core of a normal wafer lock is rather soft and the wafers are thin. The forces required to shear 5 brass pins would be too much for a tool that fits the keyway imo.
Might work on those plastic shelled Weisers, though. And I've seen one of those dubious lockpicking videos from Paladin Press where they feature something called a breaker kit. As far as I remember you had to drill into the core first to be able to insert some sort of bit to which you could attach a lever and then apply lots of force.
And if you're willing to go that far you might as well pull the plug.

Btw, did you get the idea from watching 'Heat'?

[MrB]

No I have not seen 'Heat'. But I am an engineer, and as such it is second nature for me to think "what if?" and "how?".

As I see it, the shear line in a pin tumbler can be forced by pushing, pulling or turning. For turning, I did indeed have in mind something like your picture. With a long enough handle, anything can be turned. It does not have to be subtle, and it can be accompanied by the sound of breaking and mangled metal.

So all in all, I suppose a turning attack is possible, but pulling and pushing will be more easily accomplished. (Though it pains me to think of destroying a lock in such a way at all. I am someone who agonises over throwing out old but working stuff, knowing it is going to get crushed and buried in a landfill.)

[PickPick]

It's a very good movie. Great story/acting and very acurate when it comes to the gangster details. There they insert a steel blank in a dimple lock and then attach a big lever to it and snap the pins. The key doesn't have a normal head but a sort of screw head so the tool can grab it better. Lacking the english term here but it looks like the polish key.
Anyway, I' don't think it would work on most dimple locks as they tend to have several anti-drill pins which would be way harder to snap. Sure you can always attach a big lever but if your 'anchor point' can't handle the force then the lever is not the limit.

[SFGOON]

The technique used in Heat involved a ground-down bolt, a sledgehammer, and a gigantic monkey wrench. Not terribly imanginative nor difficult. All sorts of "brute force" techniques can be used, such as jamb spreaders, hooligan tools, or hell just drive a mac truck through the door. Most people who pick locks do it because they appreceate the finess involved - I don't realistically see any of the regulars here experementing with this.

[PickPick]

Unfortunately a super-complicated lock for which you'll need ages to pick isn't worth much if you just need to take a hardende keyblank and give it a few smacks to open it. This makes it nothing more than an overpriced puzzle.
Therefore a lot of professionals on this board and elsewhere are interested in brute force methods. But these methods are not all alike. They differ in the necessary skill, tools, noise level, time needed.

Maybe someone wants to go work for UL or similar.

[Romstar]

Personally, I was not thinking of the titanium keys thing. That sounds a bit fanciful. Why titanium anyway? Steel is what you make tools out of.

No, I had in mind one or two things much simpler than that, but I did not want to be specific about my ideas because anything posted here seems to come at the top of a Google search in about a day. (If you don't believe me, search for "mazola oil parties" in Google now and see what I mean. )

Please, please tell me that is some sort of sick joke.

Romstar

[Jow]

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[Romstar]

Dear lord, that can't be good.
Now we'll be known across the net as that weird lock picking site where they talk about mazola oil parties.

I should have known better.

Romstar

[jason]

I googled "Mazola oil Parties" and just got five searches all referring to this post.

Is it my weird and fevered imagination or was it merely a demonstration of how our posts can be easily googled?

[bushd]

[Batlow]

thank you all for your input
yes i have seen heat and after you mentined it i watched it again and was impressed to find that my idea was shown in the movie, i do feel this is an excelent movie
if i may just recap and say the idea of using a hardend steel blank and turning it with enough tourque it will snap the pins and the lock will open but it will be fu#ked after you do it
if i got that wrong please correct me

thanks again

[Varjeal]

I'd have to say that in standard locksets you might have a chance, but not likely in grade 2 or better locks.

[LOCKITIS]

if all else fails use the sledgehammer