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Buying Keyed Alike and Other Orphan Locks

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Buying Keyed Alike and Other Orphan Locks

Postby deolslyfox » 20 Feb 2015 15:03

I've been asked numerous times if keyed-alike (KA) locks pick the same. Answer = no. Every lock is a little different. Its the mechanical tolerances and the pinningthat determines the setting order of any given lock.

Why is this good to know ?? You can often buy "lots" (groups) of locks that are KA cheaper than you can purchase the same number of locks as single units. Not to worry. It is rare that two out of ten will have the same setting order, and even if they do, they will probably have a different "feel" as you pick them.

And, as noted in a previous post, if you purchase locks that can be repinned, you'll have a ready supply of interchangable parts that will enable you to expand your picking skills without buying additional locks. After you're done with one or two, haul out your files and re-key 'em to a different bitting. Fun and good practice.

Don't be afraid to buy locks without keys. The idea is to pick 'em .... Once you get 'em open, remove the core and learn to make a key by hand. Just get a blank of the right type from Home Depot / ACE Hardware or your favorite locksmith. There are plenty of YouTube videos on hand-keying / re-keying a lock. Or, use it for parts. As you progress in the hobby, you'll find that having spare parts on hand is both a time and money saver.

These old carcasses provide a cheap source of pins and springs and cylinders and cores. You'll find plenty of uses for these "spare parts" if you move into making your own challenge locks. You can use existing factory pins to make your own spool / serrated pins. You can practice counter-milling and threading cylinders / plugs and maybe you'll invent some new type of "evil trick".

Anyhow - the message here is that with just a bit of practice in repinning, buying KA locks, no-key locks or just carcasses (cuts / hammered open / damaged / etc) can save you a lot of $$ over the long haul. And, you'll learn a lot about locks along the way .... :)

Hope this is helpful.
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Re: Buying Keyed Alike and Other Orphan Locks

Postby cledry » 23 Feb 2015 12:55

A lot of locksmiths also have a scrap brass bucket and toss keys and locks in the bucket. Most will sell you the lot for the weight. If you have a high volume locksmith near you you could also possibly offer to buy old locks and cylinders and drop off your own bucket.
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Re: Buying Keyed Alike and Other Orphan Locks

Postby Comrade627 » 23 Feb 2015 14:19

Concur.

I come across a LOT of KA locks, they always pick different.
Remember: Pick something every day, no matter how small and insignificant it may be…it helps maintain proficiency.”

SPP purist.
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