Kansas Law

[Cybernation]

Well I looked through the law thread and found Kansas then wanted to checkup and see if anything has changed since 2002... Well guess what... after about 30 phone calls, 10 faxes and a hand full of e-mails I got a response back from the Kansas Commerce Department. I have posted the reply I got back below.

House Bill No. 2887, concerning locksmiths, providing for regulation and licensure did not pass the Legislature. There are no state of Kansas license requirements for locksmiths. You should check with your city/county clerk for any local requirements. If you have additional questions, please call me at 785-296-5298. ---Jim Knedler

So if someone could please change the law thread

Thanks,
~Cy

[SFGOON]

I hate this state....

[Auto45]

It were it located, low crime rate.
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[plot]

This doesn't mean it's legal to carry around lockpicks.


The way I intrepret the laws, is that basically anyone in kansas can register a business as a locksmith, and THEN they'll be "official" locksmiths or what not and wont get in trouble for having picks.


For everyone that doesnt work for a business in the state of kansas that's registered as a locksmithing place... it's still illegal to carry around picks.


that being said, want to register a business?

[Cybernation]

You really don’t have to register as a locksmith here in Kansas... all you need is to have a business... and then add the word "security" on your business card. Make sure you also check the city/county laws around you. They may make you register if you’re a locksmith but I have yet to find anything like that in my area. On a side note, I was lied to by 4 different locksmiths about what I needed to do to work as a physical security person. Check with your city hall and things along that line, because from what I see people don’t want competition in this field. Some “people” will do anything they can to discourage you from it. (i.e. LIE to you) I say if physical security is where your passion is then go for it. A job that you enjoy is the best type of job you can have. (Even if it doesn’t pay much)

~Cy



P.S. If you do things right you can make a very good living in this field…

[vector40]

Most states have no specific licensing requirements; registering as a business will make you a "licensed locksmith" in every real extent.

[wraith]

Well, i'm over in Kansas City, MO, and I did have to register AND get a business license.

The funny thing is my former employer hires "Independant Contractors", and to work in Kansas City, MO as a locksmith, you must be licensed and insured (or bonded) - these "idies" are technically working illegally.

KS requires you to register with the state. And yes, I did.

Trey

[wraith]

I have several questions;

Why would you fraudulantly register a business just so you can illegally carry picks?

Why would you be carring picks with you in the first place, if you aren't a locksmith?

My final question - if you're doing something illegal, why draw attention to yourself to get caught?

Trey

[plot]

I have several questions;

Why would you fraudulantly register a business just so you can illegally carry picks?

Why would you be carring picks with you in the first place, if you aren't a locksmith?

My final question - if you're doing something illegal, why draw attention to yourself to get caught?

Trey

All good questions. My picks never leave my house as it's just a hobby, i refuse to touch a lock i don't own. my own personal rule.

It wouldn't be "fraudulantly" registering a business if you went and did it all, then you could carry your picks around and start doing the occasional lockout on the side and build a part time (or even full time) business from there. Not to mention, once you register as a locksmith business, you open yourself up to buying pics/tools from alot more places. Everyone has to start somewhere, not necessarily at another locksmiths.

You have your own business in kansas city mo? have a shop? what locks do you deal with? do you just do lockouts or do you also have commercial customers?

[wraith]

I have several questions;

Why would you fraudulantly register a business just so you can illegally carry picks?

Why would you be carring picks with you in the first place, if you aren't a locksmith?

My final question - if you're doing something illegal, why draw attention to yourself to get caught?

Trey

All good questions. My picks never leave my house as it's just a hobby, i refuse to touch a lock i don't own. my own personal rule.

It wouldn't be "fraudulantly" registering a business if you went and did it all, then you could carry your picks around and start doing the occasional lockout on the side and build a part time (or even full time) business from there. Not to mention, once you register as a locksmith business, you open yourself up to buying pics/tools from alot more places. Everyone has to start somewhere, not necessarily at another locksmiths.

You have your own business in kansas city mo? have a shop? what locks do you deal with? do you just do lockouts or do you also have commercial customers?

True, how very true.

Yes, I own/operate a lockout business in KC, MO. No shop yet, looking for space. I mostly do lockouts, and refer some jobs (stuff I don't have tooling for yet) to a few local shops. I do have commercial customers. I also have several commercial accounts set up for tools and supplies.

I didn't start out to do this, but after working for a start up franchise lock out business, I had to quit to help my family business for awhile. I kind of figured they wouldn't be interested in taking me back, so I decided to do it on my own. So far it's been pretty neat. The irony is that i've found out how many mistakes they made, and are still making. Really nice people, and had lots of info, but didn't understand the market - and it's weird!

I am doing pretty well, but I was seeing that I wasn't doing a lot of day work, so I started doing delivery work, which is kewl, because I am making money AND meetin a lot of contacts, plus, the owner lets me run calls. Couldn't ask for a better deal.

I get my ad in the YP this January, and i'm sitting on a few more contracts. I'm learning to deal with taxes, books, and a few other things, which is VERY entertaining, but I know it'll pay off. I like working for myself - hours suck, and my boss is an butthole, but hey, I get to sleep with the bosses wife

If you'd like to meet up some time, drop a line. If I can answer any questions, or help in any way, i'd be more than happy to share what little I know to a fellow lockie. I'll PM you my #. I live down by Bannister Mall.

Trey

[milkcartonkid]

I know this is an old thread but I feel the need to comment. I live in ks and it is not illegal to have or carry lockpicks with you. Now, in ks if you are arrested with lockpicks than you will be subject to finger printing and palm printing. Carrying them and using them is perfectly legal if you have permission or own the lock you are picking. But carrying and having them is perfectly legal. Now for the person that started the thread. That bill is merely stating that if you want to open a locksmith business than you dont need a permit or license. Other states might make you have a locksmith license or certificate stating you are a licensed locksmith in your state in order to open up the bisiness though.