Illinois Lock Co "Duo"

[shortrackskater]

I'm a beginning "picker." I've now successfully picked Yale, Master and Ilco padlocks. In one batch from eBay I got this Illinois lock and gave it a shot. I realized it just "felt" different. I did some research and saw that that it pins on both sides. I found a youtube video showing it being picked. After watching that, I got it opened in about 30 minutes. The next time took about 15 minutes but the next few times have taken MUCH longer. Now I can't get it opened! I've been careful doing this as well but wondering if the lock is just messed up inside? It looks like it had been outside for years. I sprayed some WD40 inside and knocked it back out, then used some silicon spray. No large amount of brass or fillings came out.
Is there anyone out there West of the Mississippi that would have a look at it? I'll pay shipping both ways. I'm just curious if it's me or the lock!

[Jacob Morgan]

Looks like a well-worn double sided wafer lock. A tweezer style wrench and a diamond or hook are ideal for these. You have to pick or rake both the top and bottom wafers.

[shortrackskater]

Thank you for the reply. I've picked THIS lock 4 times. I'll try the tweezer wrench though and see if that helps.

Here, again is what I posted:
I'm a beginning "picker." I've now successfully picked Yale, Master and Ilco padlocks. In one batch from eBay I got this Illinois lock and gave it a shot.
I realized it just "felt" different. I did some research and saw that that it has pins on both sides. I found a youtube video showing it being picked. After watching that, I got it opened in about 30 minutes. The next time took about 15 minutes but the next few times have taken MUCH longer. Now I can't get it opened! I've been careful doing this as well but wondering if the lock is just messed up inside? It looks like it had been outside for years. I sprayed some WD40 inside and knocked it back out, then used some silicon spray. No large amount of brass or fillings came out.
Is there anyone out there West of the Mississippi that would have a look at it? I'll pay shipping both ways. I'm just curious if it's me or the lock!

[GWiens2001]

Won’t bother repeating the correct answer posted above, even though I could add bold to the relevant lines.

This lock is a double sided wafer lock, not a pin tumbler lock.

Gordon

[shortrackskater]

Sorry I'm a total novice... this started when I had to pick a slot machine lock. This is why I posted in the beginners section.
All I wanted was to ship the lock that I've picked to someone else to pick it again, since I can't.
Again apologies for my lack of knowledge and wording.

[GWiens2001]

Sorry I'm a total novice... this started when I had to pick a slot machine lock. This is why I posted in the beginners section.
All I wanted was to ship the lock that I've picked to someone else to pick it again, since I can't.
Again apologies for my lack of knowledge and wording.

There are no doubt some members here who would be willing to pick it open for you.

Gordon

[shortrackskater]

I got interested in locks after picking a "pin tumbler" (I'm going to get my wording correct!) lock off my antique Jennings slot machine. I then bought a batch of padlocks off eBay, and received this one with wafers in one of the batches.
I hate being new ... I just don't know my terms and I realize it can be annoying to experienced people. I'm a moderator on a slot machine forum and run into all sorts of newbie words like "thingy" "whatchamacallit" "doohickey," for things like door optics, bill validators, hopper knives, etc.

[GWiens2001]

I got interested in locks after picking a "pin tumbler" (I'm going to get my wording correct!) lock off my antique Jennings slot machine. I then bought a batch of padlocks off eBay, and received this one with wafers in one of the batches.
I hate being new ... I just don't know my terms and I realize it can be annoying to experienced people. I'm a moderator on a slot machine forum and run into all sorts of newbie words like "thingy" "whatchamacallit" "doohickey," for things like door optics, bill validators, hopper knives, etc.

That is not a problem. Thought you, with your bold print, were insisting that the info given was not applicable. Glad to help. There is another thread on those padlocks showing how to disassemble them, too.

Gordon

[Squelchtone]

I got interested in locks after picking a "pin tumbler" (I'm going to get my wording correct!) lock off my antique Jennings slot machine. I then bought a batch of padlocks off eBay, and received this one with wafers in one of the batches.
I hate being new ... I just don't know my terms and I realize it can be annoying to experienced people. I'm a moderator on a slot machine forum and run into all sorts of newbie words like "thingy" "whatchamacallit" "doohickey," for things like door optics, bill validators, hopper knives, etc.

No worries man, and we don't mean to discourage you or put you off, we were all new once. I'm sure what I call a wheel on a slot machine, you would call a rotor, or the other way around, each technology has it's own specific terminology. You may have looked it up by now, and I don't want to beat a dead horse, but to us pins are shaped like little coke cans and wafers are little flat plates. There is a different picking style and tools used if you are picking wafer tumbler versus a pin tumbler locks.

Squelchtone

[shortrackskater]

Hi Jacob Gordan and Squelchtone
I was just frustrating and when I posted was basically hoping to find someone to try their expert hand at this lock, hence the bold. I wasn't thinking about how bold comes across though! I should know better being a moderator myself. It "sound" like yelling or insistence.
ANYWAY... GOOD NEWS.
I took some time off, relaxed, drank plenty of wine (well that was last night... more tonight), sat down at my local Starbucks and tried again.
This time I just used the small hook pick (don't know it's actual name) and the "snowman" pick. I took my time and let off pressure from my tension wrench.
I don't know how to word any of this... I positioned the lock with the top having the single set and the bottom having the double set. After getting enough feedback/movement I switched to the snowman pick and was able to access the wafers (wording?) on the double set side. Before I was just flipping back and forth using the pick and the snowman. This time, using the snowman pick second, it clicked open after about 5 minutes after manipulating each set.

[Jacob Morgan]

Glad you got it open.

Two suggestions: first, try practicing on single sided disc wafer locks--most office furniture, tool boxes, etc., are disc locks. You might be able to pick up a cam lock or a desk drawer lock for a few dollars at a hardware store. They are much easier to open than pin tumbler locks, but are different. Second, if you really want to open double sided disc locks easily, try to find a tension wrench that looks like this:https://www.clksupplies.com/collections/lock-picks/products/tension-wrench-forked. A wrench like this does not get in the way and you can pick both sides of the lock--perfect for double sided wafer locks.

[shortrackskater]

Thank you !
I actually have one of those wrenches and tried it for awhile but went back to my pry-bar style wrench. I may have had it too far on once side?
But I'll lock that darn thing again and use the forked wrench again.
I'll try the cam lock... I have about 30 of them in my various slot machines (main door, belly door, cash can, MPU board, locks everywhere!) ... I'll practice with the ones that are easily replaceable.
Here's my soon-to-be-closed lock submitted as proof I really did it!

[GWiens2001]

Well done.

Gordon

[shortrackskater]

Thank you!
I'm afraid to lock it again, but I'm gonna do it!