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Masterlock 140 picks by only 2 pins

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Masterlock 140 picks by only 2 pins

Postby Rugdude234 » 5 Apr 2026 20:40

hello I am new to lockpicking, and I picked the Masterlock 3 and then ML 140 and while i guess im not positive but it seems like if i set 4th pin then pick 2nd pin it opens. Is it possible just 2 pins are engaged, not all 4?
thank you trying to get it straight in my mind.
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Re: Masterlock 140 picks by only 2 pins

Postby FranklyFlawless » 5 Apr 2026 22:01

It is more likely you are lifting up multiple pins with your lockpick profile, so your experience may be deceiving. Try lifting each pin with the lockpick as far away from the pins as possible within the keyway and see if that makes any difference.
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Re: Masterlock 140 picks by only 2 pins

Postby Rugdude234 » 6 Apr 2026 4:29

Thank you.
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Re: Masterlock 140 picks by only 2 pins

Postby GWiens2001 » 6 Apr 2026 7:11

Also, look at the key. It should give you clues. If it looks like there are more than 2 places cut in the key, take your pick and lay it alongside the key and see if, as FranklyFlawless stated, the pick's profile is lifting more than one pin in order to liftt the fourth and second pins high enough to reach the shear line.

With Master Lock, either option is likely.

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Re: Masterlock 140 picks by only 2 pins

Postby Rugdude234 » 6 Apr 2026 17:59

Thank you. I just ordered some top of the key torque wrenches to give me more room. another quick question the picks I have now are .25 thickness, should I get .20 thickness too? thanks again
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Re: Masterlock 140 picks by only 2 pins

Postby FranklyFlawless » 6 Apr 2026 18:09

That depends if you want to pick narrower European keyways in the future. North American keyways are generally wider, so that will be enough for you to deal with most Master Lock pin-tumbler mechanisms at the moment.
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Re: Masterlock 140 picks by only 2 pins

Postby Rugdude234 » 7 Apr 2026 3:35

So you are saying I don't need the thinner .20? That's cool I wasn't sure. thank you all for your help.
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Re: Masterlock 140 picks by only 2 pins

Postby GWiens2001 » 7 Apr 2026 5:19

On the plus side, .020" thickness picks do make it easier to fit around inside the keyways.

The downside, especially for new pickers, is that most new pickers use too much turning force on the tension wrench/turning tool. The increased tension binds the pins harder, and greatly increases the force the pick needs to exert in order to move the bound pin stacks. Being thinner, the pick would be more likely to bend.

Glad you are looking into TOK tension wrenches. They take a little practice to keep the tension wrenches from falling out of the keyway while picking. However, once you get the knack, there are three great benefits.

First, it frees up most of the keyway to maneuver your pick. Don't forget that you can use the warding inside the keyways as leverage for your pick.

Second, you eliminate the possibility of the tension wrench scraping on the inside of the shell (the part of the housing holding the plug). That means you can't be fighting the tension wrench itself binding on the shell.

Third... if you look at the plug, when you are using TOK, the wrench/turning tool is located at the (to we in the US/North America) top of the keyway. If you look at the plug, the TOK tension wrench is quite close to the center of the plug. This means you have much more even rotation of the plug when you are applying tension.

Remember, if, while applying tension to the plug without using the pick at all, the plug turns due to the pins shearing, you are likely using too much tension. :twisted: :mrgreen:

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Re: Masterlock 140 picks by only 2 pins

Postby Rugdude234 » 7 Apr 2026 6:47

Yeah, that’s another thing knowing the inside of that lock. Because once I hit the back wall with the pic, coming back out, it seems like I hit stuff before I get to the pins when I’m sliding the pig back out. I plan to get one of those cut out locks, with standard pins and then get the reload kit with the other mushroom pins or whatever it has in there too, and start messing with that. Thank you for your help.
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