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by **cracksman** » 15 Jul 2005 22:41

If all this snooping is true, than I would imagine that this site would be monitored more than the buying of picks (since they are so easily fabricated) so by posting, should I buy picks? if that was, in fact, an issue, your already screwed

so shop away with impunity!!!

by **Chrispy** » 15 Jul 2005 22:53

They're watching us..... :shock:

http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=7293&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45

Db's post, eighth down from the top. Db knows all..... :shock:

by **cracksman** » 15 Jul 2005 23:59

I missed that post, classic :lol:

by **kodierer** » 16 Jul 2005 1:24

Your British, so I don't know about you. However:
There are things on the FBI's watch list. I don't think they would put them into your criminal background, but would keep some record of what you buy if you buy several specific items in close proximity.
The items I know of are not lockpicks, guns, or anything of that nature, but chemicals.
The chemicals is to prevent acid, and meth dealers from making drugs, and to keep potential terrorists from making explosives, and other deadly mixtures.

I have heard rumors that they keep a list of everyone who makes a library check out of the anarchy cookbook, or downloads it. Also the turner diaries, and some other books. I do not believe this either.

Millions of people own these books, and thousands upon thousands of us purchase lockpicks. Don't worry. Even if they do find that you purchased them, they are not illegal, and as common as they may be becoming they probably wouldn't think anything of them.

Renderman:
[As someone who I know is known to federal agencies (nothing criminal, just 'interesting'), I do know that they keep an eye on alot of not illegal, but 'items of interest'. However, purchase of lockpicks should'nt be of any concern since most thieves usually don't bother with such things and just go through the window or kick in the door.

Purchase at the same time as a grappling hook, suction cups, repelling gear and a guide book to the art museums of Manhattan, you might get some more attention.

Actually renderman that may be true about thieves, but the FBI, or CIA, or whoever would more likely be interested in spies buying the lockpicks. It is illegal to have lockpicks in Washington DC. That is because of people spying on political figures don't kick in the office door, and pry open the filing cabinet.
Do you think they kicked in a door during the watergate scandal?[/quote]

by **Chrispy** » 16 Jul 2005 2:58

Nothing better than a decent conspiracy theory

by **noorudeenshakur** » 19 Jul 2005 13:32

In terms of lockpicks and databases, I'm of the opinion there exists only 2. The record of the sale at the company and the record of the sale at Visa. If you wanted to be totally secure you can always send a money order or cash and not include your home address as shipping address.

It is impossible to create an accurate file on you this way.

In terms of checking, NCIC, or in Canada where I live known as CPIC, these simply wornt show anything other than a criminal record or charges that were brought agaist you.

I too had to have a background checks. Its a simple consent to a police information check to see if you have a criminal record. That is all. This was when I was teaching and had to work with kids.

When applying for a job at CSIS, which is Canada's equivalent to CIA or NSA I was carefully screened and they checked into my entire family history. After completeing the required tests and interviews I was ruled out simply because they didnt like the fact my mother and I didnt have a good relationship and werent close. This was the highest security screening one can go through in Canada.

I dont think you have anything to worry about unless your government job requires the highest security clearance, if it does then you also need to worry about your friends and family.

My advice, dont worry about it, and if you are worried pay cash or dont purchase picks and make your own.

by **Chrispy** » 19 Jul 2005 17:06

noorudeenshakur wrote:In terms of lockpicks and databases, I'm of the opinion there exists only 2. The record of the sale at the company and the record of the sale at Visa. If you wanted to be totally secure you can always send a money order or cash and not include your home address as shipping address.

It is impossible to create an accurate file on you this way.

Where would you suggest they be posted to? A P.O. Box? This would be in your name anyway and opened with ID. So I'm assuming you'll post it either a friends place or your workplace. Your workplace probably isn't the best idea... so that leaves a friends address.

by **noorudeenshakur** » 19 Jul 2005 20:54

Where would you suggest they be posted to? A P.O. Box? This would be in your name anyway and opened with ID. So I'm assuming you'll post it either a friends place or your workplace. Your workplace probably isn't the best idea... so that leaves a friends address.[/quote]

Yes you are correct Chrispy PO box is requires ID.

You also have the option of posting to your home address under a name other than yours. Simply if your name isnâ€™t in the paper work how can it be in any database? Cash is best when dealing with reputable dealers and one is worried about privacy.

When paying cash there is no paper trail. Unlike paypal or visa it can not be traced back to you directly if a name other than yours was given on the shipping lable.

If you are worried I would advise not to purchase picks and take a look at pyro's video.

I for one make my own pics and would recommend for anyone just starting out to do the same as you will break them.

When you are new you donâ€™t know how much force to use when picking and the tendency for people who are new to picking is to use more force than is required. I know I broke my picks. I'm sure a lot of people will tell you the same.

Another plus for manufacturing your own picks besides the joy and satisfaction of admiring your own work is there is no database.

I believe that all the information you need to make an informed decision have been given to you in this thread.

Good luck

by **Chrispy** » 19 Jul 2005 21:10

noorudeenshakur wrote:You also have the option of posting to your home address under a name other than yours. Simply if your name isnâ€™t in the paper work how can it be in any database?

Very good idea, as postal services deliver items to the address listed, regardless of the name on the item.

If you are worried I would advise not to purchase picks and take a look at pyro's video.

Uhh.... I've already made a couple of sets (standard hacksaw blade picks, exacto handle picks, plastic keycard picks, etc.) .... and bought a real nice 22 piece set from SouthOrd (indirectly). I don't know whether you were directing this comment at me..... so anyway.....

I for one make my own pics and would recommend for anyone just starting out to do the same as you will break them.

When you are new you donâ€™t know how much force to use when picking and the tendency for people who are new to picking is to use more force than is required. I know I broke my picks. I'm sure a lot of people will tell you the same.

I used to think the same thing. It's not the case. I've broken one pick and that was a auto jiggler that had a real thin joint to the handle, so I'm not surprised it broke. Breaking picks means too much force, too much force is bad....

Anywayz, I really don't think such a database exists, not for lowly lockpicks anyway..... uranium maybe.....

by **noorudeenshakur** » 20 Jul 2005 0:49

Sorry for the confusion Chrispy, those comments werenâ€™t for you.

I've read your posts I know you know what you are doing.

I was simply responding in a broad term to the original post as you raised the question about shipping. I wanted to clarify it for the original poster and reiterate my original post about not to worry, and if he does to make his own picks.

Sorry about that confusion buddy
. :wink:

by **Chrispy** » 20 Jul 2005 5:59

All good.

by **taylorgdl** » 8 Sep 2005 17:45

CowGoMoo wrote:Er, "database" might have been a bit misleading. I was just referring to the fact that - according to one of the FAQs I read here - vendors keep track of everyone who purchases picks. Normally I wouldn't give it a second thought, but with this business coming up...

And no, I don't really know how deep the thing goes - I'm just being cautious. I'm (in the process of) going into military communications, which requires a reasonable level of clearance. The whole thing will take a ridiculous amount of time - months at best - and I have to wonder how much of that reflects thoroughness, as opposed to typically slow bureaucracy.

Don't worry about the process it's fairly mundane. Lots of paperwork, background checks etc, you'll also have an interview, lasts a couple of hours (no thumbscrews at least) if you have any concerns bring them up then. Believe me, if you don't they will eventually find out, and you will lose your job. (they get a bit sensitive about non-disclosure).
By the way, you are right about the whole thing taking a bit of time. . . I know people who have been doing jobs requiring clearance for over a year, before they were even interviewed !

You'll be fine.

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