Lock Picking 101 Forum
A community dedicated to the fun and ethical hobby of lock picking.
       

Lock Picking 101 Home
Login
Profile
Members
Forum Rules
Frequent Forum Questions
SEARCH
View New Posts
View Active Topics


Live Chat on Discord
LP101 Forum Chat
Keypicking Forum Chat
Reddit r/lockpicking Chat



Learn How to Pick Locks
FAQs & General Questions
Got Beginner Questions?
Pick-Fu [Intermediate Level]


Ask a Locksmith
This Old Lock
This Old Safe
What Lock Should I Buy?



Hardware
Locks
Lock Patents
Lock Picks
Lock Bumping
Lock Impressioning
Lock Pick Guns, Snappers
European Locks & Picks
The Machine Shop
The Open Source Lock
Handcuffs


Member Spotlight
Member Introductions
Member Lock Collections
Member Social Media


Off Topic
General Chatter
Other Puzzles


Locksmith Business Info
Training & Licensing
Running a Business
Keyways & Key Blanks
Key Machines
Master Keyed Systems
Closers and Crash Bars
Life Safety Compliance
Electronic Locks & Access
Locksmith Supplies
Locksmith Lounge


Buy Sell Trade
Buy - Sell - Trade
It came from Ebay!


Advanced Topics
Membership Information
Special Access Required:
High Security Locks
Vending Locks
Advanced Lock Pick Tools
Bypass Techniques
Safes & Safe Locks
Automotive Entry & Tools
Advanced Buy/Sell/Trade


Locksport Groups
Locksport Local
Chapter President's Office
Locksport Board Room
 

picking the back keyhole of combination MASTER lock

Having read the FAQ's you are still unfulfilled and seek more enlightenment, so post your general lock picking questions here.
Forum rules
Do not post safe related questions in this sub forum! Post them in This Old Safe

The sub forum you are currently in is for asking Beginner Hobby Lock Picking questions only.

picking the back keyhole of combination MASTER lock

Postby youngjiggy53 » 28 Feb 2006 16:41

Does any one know how to open my dial combination master lock? I do not want to buy the shims, so is there a way that i can pick the keyhole on the back of the lock?

Thanks
youngjiggy53
 
Posts: 15
Joined: 21 Feb 2006 2:27

Postby CPLP » 28 Feb 2006 18:35

Go to this site and register. Get the video about Peterson Mini-Knife. It's a way of bypassing the lock. Check this link:
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=11662

You may also make your own picks:
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=10991&highlight=padlock+shims

And please...try to learn how to use the search button :wink:
CPLP
 
Posts: 259
Joined: 21 Jan 2006 17:24
Location: Portugal

Postby illusion » 28 Feb 2006 18:40

It's a pin tumbler... the MIT guide, located in the FAQ section will be your best bet.

The lock he's on about is for a spin-dial combo lock, the same kind of dial they have on safes.

That tool CPLP mentioned is for combo locks with 3 or more wheels - not much use I'm afraid.

I'd suggest searching for info on how to make shims, but I get the impression you'd be too incompetant to even manage it.
illusion
 
Posts: 4567
Joined: 2 Sep 2005 13:47

Postby Kevo » 28 Feb 2006 18:49

I didn't have shims either when i started with dial combo locks. I got a bobby pin and filed it down so it was thin. you take that and jam it in the inside part of the shackle on the side that comes open when you normally open it and it should pop open.
Kevo
 
Posts: 21
Joined: 30 Jan 2006 19:49
Location: Idaho US

Postby Octillion » 28 Feb 2006 23:04

To answer the original poster’s question, yes, like any other lock, the keyway on the back can be picked. It is just an ordinary 4 pin lock, and I’m pretty sure it does not have any security pins. The only challenge it presents is that it is a very small keyway, and torqing it without the wrench getting in the way can be a bit tricky. It must be torqued clockwise, and it may be easiest to place the wrench in the keyway just above the pins.
Octillion
 
Posts: 350
Joined: 19 Dec 2005 0:40
Location: Connecticut

Postby Chucklz » 28 Feb 2006 23:12

CPLP, the model lock the poster is referring to cannot be opened with the mini knife tool.
Chucklz
 
Posts: 3097
Joined: 4 Nov 2003 17:58
Location: Philadelphia

Postby CPLP » 28 Feb 2006 23:31

My mistake, thought he was talking about the other combination locks. The round ones with key hole are different. Never actually touched any but they don't seem hard to pick. :P
CPLP
 
Posts: 259
Joined: 21 Jan 2006 17:24
Location: Portugal

Re: picking the back keyhole of combination MASTER lock

Postby geonap » 6 Mar 2006 4:40

youngjiggy53 wrote:Does any one know how to open my dial combination master lock? I do not want to buy the shims, so is there a way that i can pick the keyhole on the back of the lock?

Thanks


On "padlock style locks" is this back keyhole always for a "master" key, or is it sometimes for "resetting" the combination? I have seen this design on both padlocks, lockers, other examples, etc. I have always wondered if this is "always" for a master key or if this wasn't some sort of combination reset.
geonap
 
Posts: 52
Joined: 1 Mar 2006 5:43
Location: Oregon, USA

Postby Chrispy » 6 Mar 2006 6:13

If it looks like a keyway, it's a master key override. If it's just a hole, it's a combination reset opening.
Image
Some things may be pick proof, but everything can be bypassed....
Chrispy
 
Posts: 3569
Joined: 24 Mar 2005 15:49
Location: GC, QLD

Postby geonap » 6 Mar 2006 21:05

Chrispy wrote:If it looks like a keyway, it's a master key override. If it's just a hole, it's a combination reset opening.


Cool... thank you for clarifying.
"Far better is it to dare mighty things… even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they... know not victory nor defeat."
~Theodore Roosevelt
geonap
 
Posts: 52
Joined: 1 Mar 2006 5:43
Location: Oregon, USA

Postby youngjiggy53 » 6 Mar 2006 22:30

Is it possible to open the master combination lock using a snake pick on the back keyhole of?? If that keyhole is for a master key, it should open the lock as well as any other locks of the same keyhole right??
youngjiggy53
 
Posts: 15
Joined: 21 Feb 2006 2:27

Postby Chrispy » 7 Mar 2006 6:22

If the lock is a part of a master system, then yes, all other locks in that system will open in the same way. But locks can differ from lock to lock, even with the same pinning.
Image
Some things may be pick proof, but everything can be bypassed....
Chrispy
 
Posts: 3569
Joined: 24 Mar 2005 15:49
Location: GC, QLD

Postby undeadspacehippie » 19 May 2006 23:41

This type of master lock is what I had to buy when i was in high school, the principal was rumored to have the key to the keyway on the back and used it if they needed to do locker searches. Not sure if they are allowed to do this still, I liked this lock - and am still looking for one. I have only seen then at my highschool though - I can not seem to locate them anywhere - I have tried Canadian Tire, Home Hareware as well as Zellers, Sears and Wallmart.
undeadspacehippie
 
Posts: 282
Joined: 26 Jun 2005 12:12
Location: Windsor, Ontario

Postby Jason13 » 19 May 2006 23:46

Try Ebay
Image
Jason13
 
Posts: 1475
Joined: 9 Nov 2005 11:37
Location: UK

Postby MeisBarry » 28 May 2006 16:52

I had them in my high school as well. It wasn't a rumor, we KNEW the administration had the key for the back. Although, we had to buy them through the school and surrender our combo when we bought them as well, so I don't know what the point of both was.

I've picked that back keyhole a few times but I find it extremely difficult to manage both tension and a pick in such a small area.
MeisBarry
 
Posts: 52
Joined: 4 Mar 2006 18:08

Next

Return to Got Questions? - Ask Beginner Hobby Lockpicking Questions Here

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google Adsense [Bot] and 28 guests