Help me convice pops to realize what lockpickins' about

[DiamondHead.exe]

hey yall , i want to get into lockpicking just as a hobby
but i need a credit card to order off some sites
and my dad has a credit card , but he thinks lockpicking is an anti social , anti society activity
and doesnt see why i should want to learn
and iv tried to explain that many people , like yall, do it for a hobby , and not to break into stuff that aint yours
iv already it will help fine tune my bad A fine motor skills
and is a great conversation topic
and i was finaly able to convince him it isnt illegal to do as long as yur not breaking into something thats isnt yours

wat im asking for is just quick snippets of opinions and storys of how yall started , and yur opinion of my dads negitive view of this up and coming "sport"

[jordyh]

Have a read through these.

http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=11492&highlight=parents
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=11375&highlight=parents
http://www.geocities.com/digital_blue_site/sportlpintro.pdf

Furthermore, there are a lot of threads on ethics of lockpicking.


Yours,

Jordy

[digital_blue]

Wow. Well done Jordy! Great references!

DiamondHead: If he has any questions about this hobby, or this community, he is welcome to email me and I will be happy to address any of his concerns. It might not be a bad idea to print off that document that Jordy linked to (3rd link) and have him read it. It was specifically written to address the types of concerns it sounds like he has.

Good luck, and keep us posted!

db

[DiamondHead.exe]

ethics .. dang , theres the word, iv been lurkin and trying to search stuff like "how did you start" , and "begining" "start"
and crap like that

my brains been off since summer school

but thanks jordyh & digital_blue for the info
yalls links explained better
blue , i gotz a person question for ya, how old are you?
cuas yur writing style is college/grad school level
... unless yur 15 and wanted to come off as a sophistocated(sp?) young gentleman
but nevertheless\good job yall
and yes im allowed to say yall , soy de tejas

[qwerty125]

Well this is a big hypocritical of me to say but if i had a 15 year old son come up to me and tell me he wanted to buy lock picking tools...
I too would say "eerrr.... son why the hell would you need to buy lockpicking tools". I learned and bought the tools myself when i became old enough to obtain my own credit card. At that point in time, had I done something illegal, all responsibility would have come down upon me.. However, if my father helped purchased a lock picking set and I ended up using it for illegal gains then he would be responsible for my actions.. Therefore, were I a father, not that I wouldn't trust my son, but for the sake of him not doing anything stupid with a lock picking set I wouldn't give him a set until hes matured enough to realize and take responsibility for potential actions. Thats just me though, everyone has their opinion on this matter. When I was around 14-15 I found out about lock picking (didn't have a toolset though) and wanted to learn it, although I've never broken into a house, I feel that if the peer pressure was there I would have had the urge to show off and open a door w/o permission.

I can understand your dad's position on the matter. Thats like telling your dad you want to learn how to hack a network for the sake of learning network security. Or learning how to make an explosive device for the sake of learning how bombs work. In either situation, you may never use those skills for illegal purposes but they all have negative connotations. If you really want to get into it, I suggest perhaps seeing if your dad would be interested in learning how to do it with you.

[toiletplumber]

well my father and mother still don't know I do it because they probably wouldn't understand nor whould they try to understand. I made my own picks and the bench grinder is stashed in my garage. I grind when they are at work and when they are home I usually sand or practice in my room. I don't like keeping secrets from my family but they wouldn't understand because that is just the kind of people they are. I like the idea of learning to do it with your dad. It is kind of like me learning to shoot a bb gun with my dad. It shows him that you are responsible and gives you time to bond.

[DiamondHead.exe]

the thing is, i dont have a bench grinder, but i do have a dremel , what i dont have is 30 posts to gain access to the pick templates or correct dimensions
i kinda winged it , and came up with a !!kind of diamond pick!! , but pins flow from one to the other with no tactile transition, i cant feel where the actual pin is(no i dont suck, my finite motor skills pwn) , so im guessing i made it too big and i dont want to keep making it smaller oly to learn that its too small
so i felt like instead of wasting my time trying to make others and waste sandpaper dremel heads

so if any of yall can hook me up with some of zeke's templates (with his permission ) i would be much abbliged(sp?!)

[digital_blue]

Ok, couple things...

Firstly, I'm 28. I've never taken any post-secondary education, but I read a lot, yo.

Secondly... and this is the part with which I hope you don't take offense...

Your sig says "Thank g-d for the Anarchists Cookbook". Now, I know that doesn't necessarily mean you're a little punk, and I'm not trying to imply that you are. You may well be one of the most well-rounded and intelligent teens out there. However, if you are attracted to the kind of rubbish that's in The Anarchists Cookbook, it may answer some questions about why your father is against the idea of you learning to pick locks... maybe?

db

[toiletplumber]

Ok, couple things...

Firstly, I'm 28. I've never taken any post-secondary education, but I read a lot, yo.

Secondly... and this is the part with which I hope you don't take offense...

Your sig says "Thank g-d for the Anarchists Cookbook". Now, I know that doesn't necessarily mean you're a little punk, and I'm not trying to imply that you are. You may well be one of the most well-rounded and intelligent teens out there. However, if you are attracted to the kind of rubbish that's in The Anarchists Cookbook, it may answer some questions about why your father is against the idea of you learning to pick locks... maybe?

db

lol I completly missed his sig. That is pretty funny how it proves your point. The only thing I would consider making from there are the smokebombs for maybe paintball or for fun........ oh and maybe thermite just for laughs.

[Octillion]

I remember thinking what a great find the Anarchist’s Cookbook when I first got the internet and was probably around 14. I never tried anything from it, but read through a few items. I still have some of them archived, and looking back, it’s about 90% crap. One of the papers discussing lock picking states something to the effect that getting past locks such as Kwikset is difficult, as they are more advanced locks (I can't seem to find the text to quote at the moment). I think it’s about time I clear my hard drive of these…

[Temple]

Well let me give my two cents worth here, not that anybody needs to pay attention, but I'm looking at this from a parents point of view. Having an 18 year old son I would say I have a fair grasp on teens.

First as a parent no amount of posts on a web site from people I have never met in my life would change my mind if I had decided my child couldn't get a set of lock picks or what ever he was trying to get if I belived it could be used for imoral purposes. I'm the parent and it's my house and my rules.

Now having said that let me go on to say that I am not stupidand I know in this day and age of free information on the internet if the child/teenager is motivated enough to learn this skill or craft they will find a way to get a set of picks. As one person has already stated they make their picks when the parents aren't home and practice in the bedroom.

In the end let me just say it is ultimately the parents decision to allow this in their home and only you as a parent know what morals you have taught your child. If you allow this I would encourage you to learn with your son because it can be a lot of fun.

[DiamondHead.exe]

o god no
the things in the anarchist cookbook are like you said 90 percent crap
the only things i've ever thought might be cool was the saltpeter/sugar smokebomb

and i know saltpeter isnt as stable as the book says , the cookbook has spawned so many internet posts and pages on "how to" make bombs and stuff that are all equaly crap

, and in no way am i a punk , nor e-thug or any type of badass that i havnt mentioned

its just a fun book to read

for the entry on how to make smoke bombs
it mentions tha its a easy recipe and can be done at home
and in the next scentence it says DO NOT DO THIS IN ANYTHING BUT A LAB ENVIRONMENT

.....theres no way ima make that sh**

but i agree with the point your trying to make , and i will rectify it , as it could be interpreted as you mentioned
im luanching my Adobe PS right now to make a better sig

[SFGOON]

I'd put the Anarchist's Cookbook a lot higher than 90% crap. You could fertilize your entire home state with the text in that book. Paladin Press recenlty signed an agreement with UNICEF to donate all thier books to begin high yield agriculture on the moon - we're talking crap on a scale the world has never seen.

[LockNewbie21]

Ok he anarchist cookbook is cool to read, maybe even try a few things.. the potato gun, the turning all the radios all the way up, seting the alarm for 3 mins later and run.

There all good fun, but the stuff they talk baout bombs ( Chemicals, and mixtures were changed.. censored if you please.)

I seen the movie.. and it sucked

My thing is, I am 20 years old now.. far from a full adult. But really this speculation parents do is horrible.

Take my awful smoking habbit my mom did everything in here power to teach warn and sway me from it.. no i smoke a pack a day, Not that shes a bad parent but kids will be kids, and if they want to learn do by or smoke something it will be done.

Dude if yo want the picks that bad and want to learn that bad, just find someone less skeptical to buy them.

If its a passionate thing you after don;t let people stop you.. if its illegal, well good luck, but if you love lock picking or just want to learn get a set.



Andy

[digital_blue]

Dude if yo want the picks that bad and want to learn that bad, just find someone less skeptical to buy them.

I would say that advising a teenager to disobey his parents is probably not prudent advice there Andy.

Bottom line DiamondHead: You *should* observe your parents wishes, even if you don't agree with them. Even if I don't agree with them. Even if Andy here doesn't agree with them. They're your parents. They're looking out for you. It's a good thing. You'll be glad they did someday. But it's still worth trying to persuade them with sound reasoning and a responsible attitude.

Cheers,

db