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Masterlock, master key?

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Masterlock, master key?

Postby stevodotorg » 6 Aug 2006 14:53

So I have been waiting forever to finally ask this question, and now that I have found lp101, I can finally ask :)

Well, where to begin, a few years back when I was growing up, gosh this had to have been 7 or 8 years ago, I had a friend who got his hands on a key, not just any key, this key would open up any no. 3 blue border standard masterlock. Us being silly rebellious kids, well maybe not so rebellious, we did actually manage to stay out of trouble.. back on subject.. we would go around looking for no. 3 master locks, on the back of electric cabinets, fences, or just anything what we figured was harmless I suppose, and then would simply unlock the lock. Now how we pulled this off, I have no idea, I have been wondering that for the past 8 years. Anyway, this is what brings me here.

Does anyone know much about this masterlock key?.. I believe the key had to have been from a place that needs to open a numerous amount of no. 3 masterlocks, maybe some sort of storage center?, a dog pound?, or something of the sort. Anyway I thought it was neat that I could finally find a place where I could ask this darn question and chat with other fellow hobbyists :)
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Postby Krypos » 6 Aug 2006 15:36

did it ever not work? cuz if it worked every time, then i havent the slightest clue what that was. but i want one.
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Postby mh » 6 Aug 2006 16:07

Strange story. I have a hard time believing it.
I doubt that all no. 3 blue border standard masterlocks were master-keyed at that time.
Therefore I don't think such key exists.

If of course in your city, someone had ordered a big lot keyed alike, and then sold them to different people - that might be possible.

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Postby stevodotorg » 6 Aug 2006 16:19

I know it sounds a bit weird, but I wouldn't just take the time to post and go off on some story that wasn't true. Anyway, yes, I remember there were a couple of locks it not working on, but for the most part we would go to different areas of town, schools, etc, and it did in fact continue to open all no. 3 locks. I am as puzzled as you are, but I am sure there has got to be someone here that might have some background behind this?
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Postby Krypos » 6 Aug 2006 16:22

aye. if a huge lot had been master keyed alike, then it could be possible, but what kind of dumbarse does that?
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Postby parapilot » 6 Aug 2006 16:23

Sounds very strange. Do you still have the key? A photo would be good.
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Postby Shrub » 6 Aug 2006 16:26

Yes you can break into your school lockers with a key that works int h back of the lock but no we wont tell you how to make the key or the bitings of the key,

Yes sometimes 2 page long stories are made up to get such info so we have to treat each and every request for such things the same,
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Postby Krypos » 6 Aug 2006 16:28

hmmm. should we call this one waffles then?
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Postby p1ckf1sh » 6 Aug 2006 16:31

mh wrote:If of course in your city, someone had ordered a big lot keyed alike, and then sold them to different people - that might be possible.

I think they might have been lucky and found locks that were keyed alike because they were all council property. I think these are often keyed alike to reduce the number of keys to the maintenance people.

I would have said comb bypass attack, but I am not sure if the Masterlock#3 is susceptible to that and then again it would not work with a keylike object...
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Postby Krypos » 6 Aug 2006 16:33

comb bypass? hmmm im sure a search will generate something...brb.
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Postby p1ckf1sh » 6 Aug 2006 17:04

Krypos wrote:comb bypass? hmmm im sure a search will generate something...brb.

I am not sure if I used the correct term, but it has been discussed here, probably long before the adv. forum was put up. It is still there and I guess you have found something. If not let me know.
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Postby stevodotorg » 6 Aug 2006 17:41

parapilot wrote:Sounds very strange. Do you still have the key? A photo would be good.


I sure wish I did, that's why I came here to see if anyone has heard of such a thing.
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Postby stevodotorg » 6 Aug 2006 17:45

p1ckf1sh wrote:
mh wrote:If of course in your city, someone had ordered a big lot keyed alike, and then sold them to different people - that might be possible.

I think they might have been lucky and found locks that were keyed alike because they were all council property. I think these are often keyed alike to reduce the number of keys to the maintenance people.

I would have said comb bypass attack, but I am not sure if the Masterlock#3 is susceptible to that and then again it would not work with a keylike object...


This is what I was concluding more towards, "reduce the number of keys to the maintenance people." .. Sort of buying a huge set of locks, with only a couple keys. I believe it is something around those lines, more than likely this was the case.

Anyway, If any new readers on this topic have any other opinions, please do feel free to share :)
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Postby Krypos » 6 Aug 2006 17:59

the comb bypass is fairly right as far as name wise. its where you have a pick or key that looks like a comb


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thats roughly what it looks like (very roughly) but thats it.

so that you overset all the pins at the same time and there is nothing in the plug but your tool. works mostly on cheap locks from what i see. and i guess it works really well on the master 140. i think horsefeathers made a comb key out of another brand key that works on like every master 140 regardless of pin size, etc.
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Postby parapilot » 6 Aug 2006 18:04

Krypos wrote:comb bypass? hmmm im sure a search will generate something...brb.


http://www.lockpicking101.com//viewtopic.php?t=1069

Speaks for itself. never used it though.
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