Padlocked Birthday present - Cant get it opened!!!!

[Esop]

Hello.
Im quite new to lockpicking. I purchased a Southord 22 pcs set and I have read all the basic tutorials.
Im able to pick the following locks quite easily:
Walrus No 3026
Abus 65/30
Abus 65/25

However, some clever colleagues at my office (knowing that I was interested in lockpicking) decided to chain and padlock their present for my 40th birthday with an Abus 65/45. Its a suitcase containing a Victorinox kitchen knife set, and I would like to pick it open. I could of course cut the chain, but my pride keeps me from doing it.

My question is: How difficult is an Abus 65/45 ?
Ive spent quite a few hours on it, but Im very far from opening it.
Some pins seem to set, but I just cant get it open.
Any tips as to at least which picking tool would be best?
Also: All the way inside the sylinder there seems to be something other than a pin, that I cannot move. Is it correct that this lock only has 6 pins?

I would be greatful for any tips.

Thanks,

[Keyring]

If I recall correctly, the 65/45 is just a 65/40 with a longer shackle. The 65/40 has 5 pins (4 of them spool pins). Kind of makes it one pin more difficult than the 65/30.

[Schuyler]

Ask your officemates if you can view the key. Knowing the bitting can help you visualize what you need to actually do inside of the lock.

Good luck! Fun friends, and a really nice gift too

[raimundo]

make a well sanded bogota rake or buy one from me and you should be able to get it open, I don't know the particular model you cite, but abus has spool pins and a smaller keyway which makes it difficult to work in with the size of commercial picks. If you try to single pin pick it, use the slimest pick you have and use light tension and light picking. then do it in private where those mates can't bother you. You can rake open spool pins with a very light technique, but remember that commercial picks are frequently very rough finished and need sanding.

[butterboy]

Yea ,you should get some of those bogatta's from rai nothing else will open it.

good advertizment or what?

[Esop]

The problem seems to be that that the inner most pin (5th) has to be pressed all the way inn, but the 4th should stay almost untouched ( I have a picture of the key) Im unable to press the 5th pin without touching the 3rd and 4th at the same time....

Whats with the sanding of the picks? which picks need sanding and why? and how?
And what is the shape of the Bogota rake?

Ive made some raking attempts based on a youtube video of a guy raking a similar lock open in 3 attempts, but it seems hopeless for me.

I spent 2 hours on the lock today, and my patience is running out...

[vrocco]

Sounds like you might need something with a deep curve like the Falle picks or maybe a Deforest.

I certainly am not recommending you buy a $250 pickset to open your birthday present, but look at the shape of the Falle deep curves and you will see why it might be useful for setting that 5th pin without touching 3 or 4.

Lockpicktools.com sells Falle replicas, but it has been said on this board that they are not that great.

Maybe try Petersons reach pick(I think that's what it is called).

[Schuyler]

You sand it to make it move through the lock more smoothly + improve feedback.

[Mutzy]

Go with a bogota. I have gotten heaps of high-security padlocks with my set recently. And all with the diamond/hook hybrid, not the rake.

[locksportboy]

at least which picking tool would be best?

half diamond or hook pick i would prefer

[Esop]

Thanks for all your tips.

The set I have is this one from Southord:
[img]http://www.ukbumpkeys.com/22pc.jpg[/img]

Seems like it contains a few picks that look like the Falle ones.

I guess its a technique thing.
I can feel that I am struggling with the right tension.
This due to lack of experience and the fact that the tension tools sometimes get trapped/stuck and therefor do not release when I ease tension slightly.

Maybe Bogota is the way to go for swift and easy opening...

[Schuyler]

while I, myself, swear by the bogotas, it's the bitting that's killing you, and I don't think they bogota will be the magic bullet in getting through this.

A cruel bitting can stymie even very experienced pickers.

[kg4boj]

What would a real locksmith do.... He would get his bolt cutters... or a Dremel... or a mini angle grinder.... or a saw.... or a drill..... heh, No matter how hard you try, there will always be locks that you can not pick, nor anyone else you let have a go at it. Extremely deep cuts next to extremely shallow cuts, serrated pins, mushroom pins, "action packed" keyways and sometimes a tiny tiny bit of superglue on the very tip of a tiny wire or toothpick.

[UWSDWF]

you have no idea what this site is about do you?

[Pahaseta]

Also struggling with an Abus 65/40, for some reason can't get it open with diamond or rake but with a pickgun it opens easily.