What keyway is this?

[dragonsmiths]

Hello,

Could anyone please tell me what key way this looks like, I'm baffled...

[femurat]

Can we see a picture of the key bow, without the yellow cover?

That may help

[billdeserthills]

Can we see a picture of the key bow, without the yellow cover?

That may help

In the 3rd pic down you can see the 'Do Not Duplicate' stamped into the key head

[femurat]

I'm on my phone and can't see the pictures well. Thanks for letting me know that, Bill.

Dragonsmiths, why do you want to identify the keyway?

[WilsonTrucking]

This is may be a little off topic for the topic of this thread but I do have a question. A few months back, I acquired a collection of over 50 locks as well as nearly 100 keys. Some of the keys say "do not duplicate" on them but are clearly SC1s. Previously I was led to believe that "do not duplicate" was used for restricted keys but are there other circumstances in which a key may be stamped "do not duplicate"? There are even a couple of blanks that have a square bow that say "do not duplicate" on them which are also I believe SC1s. If you aren't supposed to duplicate a key, why would there be a blank for it?

[cledry]

This is may be a little off topic for the topic of this thread but I do have a question. A few months back, I acquired a collection of over 50 locks as well as nearly 100 keys. Some of the keys say "do not duplicate" on them but are clearly SC1s. Previously I was led to believe that "do not duplicate" was used for restricted keys but are there other circumstances in which a key may be stamped "do not duplicate"? There are even a couple of blanks that have a square bow that say "do not duplicate" on them which are also I believe SC1s. If you aren't supposed to duplicate a key, why would there be a blank for it?

You have a good point. The "Do Not Duplicate" on a non-restricted key is at best a suggestion. Some locksmiths honour the stamp, others don't. I feel if you want a key that cannot be duplicated you choose a restricted key.

[WilsonTrucking]

Ahhh that makes perfect sense. When used on a nonnrestrictive key, I guess it would be more for "key control" for somebody who only wants one key. Still doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Are most keys stamped "do not duplicate" restrictive keyway or not?

[RedE]

Ahhh that makes perfect sense. When used on a nonnrestrictive key, I guess it would be more for "key control" for somebody who only wants one key. Still doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Are most keys stamped "do not duplicate" restrictive keyway or not?

Some manufacturers like to stamp their restricted keys DND... Medeco and Schlage come to mind. Though the way I see it, a patented key system does not need to rely on such a marking to keep keys from being duplicated.

[femurat]

Though the way I see it, a patented key system does not need to rely on such a marking to keep keys from being duplicated.

No, it doesn't. But it's an added marketing feature. It makes the end user aware of key protection.

Cheers

[GWiens2001]

I have DND blanks for several common sections, and a few for restricted sections. The ones I have for common sections were either given to me or were part of a large lot of blanks purchased from eBay.

Some companies want the keys stamped DND to hopefully reduce unauthorized copies.

I do find the occasional use for one. Used a DND Master M1 blank today when impressioning a Master trailer-hitch lock. Used it just because it happened to be the closest M1 blank to my fingers when grabbing blanks to impression some locks. See - they can be useful.

Gordon

[jeffmoss26]

that is a locksmith restricted keyway - you won't be finding blanks.

[RedE]

I have DND blanks for several common sections, and a few for restricted sections. The ones I have for common sections were either given to me or were part of a large lot of blanks purchased from eBay.

Some companies want the keys stamped DND to hopefully reduce unauthorized copies.

I do find the occasional use for one. Used a DND Master M1 blank today when impressioning a Master trailer-hitch lock. Used it just because it happened to be the closest M1 blank to my fingers when grabbing blanks to impression some locks. See - they can be useful.

Gordon

I didn't mean to give the impression that "do not duplicate" is a bad thing, but its just of my opinion that there's more absolute ways to prevent copies being made.

And for sure, a DND marking may dissuade those who who otherwise thinking about getting a copy from doing so. Maybe that's why BEST used to stamp "IT IS UNLAWFUL TO DUPLICATE THIS KEY", hoping that it would be a pretty good scare tactic?

[billdeserthills]

I have DND blanks for several common sections, and a few for restricted sections. The ones I have for common sections were either given to me or were part of a large lot of blanks purchased from eBay.

Some companies want the keys stamped DND to hopefully reduce unauthorized copies.

I do find the occasional use for one. Used a DND Master M1 blank today when impressioning a Master trailer-hitch lock. Used it just because it happened to be the closest M1 blank to my fingers when grabbing blanks to impression some locks. See - they can be useful.

Gordon

I didn't mean to give the impression that "do not duplicate" is a bad thing, but its just of my opinion that there's more absolute ways to prevent copies being made.

And for sure, a DND marking may dissuade those who who otherwise thinking about getting a copy from doing so. Maybe that's why BEST used to stamp "IT IS UNLAWFUL TO DUPLICATE THIS KEY", hoping that it would be a pretty good scare tactic?

I totally agree with your scare tactic thought,
The five hardware stores near my shop have all promised to not cut a copy of any DND marked key

[billdeserthills]

This is may be a little off topic for the topic of this thread but I do have a question. A few months back, I acquired a collection of over 50 locks as well as nearly 100 keys. Some of the keys say "do not duplicate" on them but are clearly SC1s. Previously I was led to believe that "do not duplicate" was used for restricted keys but are there other circumstances in which a key may be stamped "do not duplicate"? There are even a couple of blanks that have a square bow that say "do not duplicate" on them which are also I believe SC1s. If you aren't supposed to duplicate a key, why would there be a blank for it?

Many of my commercial clients that are too cheap to pay for a restricted keyway will opt for
a DND key to give their employees. I also service many churches that prefer the keys be marked
DND in the hopes that the keys given out will be harder to duplicate, and they are in many places

[GWiens2001]

I have DND blanks for several common sections, and a few for restricted sections. The ones I have for common sections were either given to me or were part of a large lot of blanks purchased from eBay.

Some companies want the keys stamped DND to hopefully reduce unauthorized copies.

I do find the occasional use for one. Used a DND Master M1 blank today when impressioning a Master trailer-hitch lock. Used it just because it happened to be the closest M1 blank to my fingers when grabbing blanks to impression some locks. See - they can be useful.

Gordon

I didn't mean to give the impression that "do not duplicate" is a bad thing, but its just of my opinion that there's more absolute ways to prevent copies being made.

And for sure, a DND marking may dissuade those who who otherwise thinking about getting a copy from doing so. Maybe that's why BEST used to stamp "IT IS UNLAWFUL TO DUPLICATE THIS KEY", hoping that it would be a pretty good scare tactic?

My impression is the same as yours. That is why I told of the primary use I have for DND blanks on my board. Also impressioned a second lock, a Master #3 today. Also using a DND key.

Gordon